On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> wrote:
> > On May 11, 2013, at 11:17 AM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > > > On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton <orc...@apache.org> > wrote: > >> +1 +1 +1 ... > >> > >> When a project that is committed to working in public raises the draw > bridge, circles the wagons, or goes dark in any way, the detractors win by > seeing their insecurities and animosities confirmed in us. > > > > And no one has said otherwise. My point is merely that one should be > > careful about labeling a data point "this year" in comparison with > > "last year" if this year is not actually 12 months long yet. This is > > not rocket science, but it does require some thinking to appreciate > > that the comparisons are sloppy and will be likely confused by the > > casual reader of the list. > > > > > >> Be of strong heart and goodwill. Stay the course. > >> > >> - Dennis > >> > >> PS: I am vicariously proud of the work that Rob Weir does to provide an > account for data sources and what the analytics are for the resulting > tables and visuals. That is great, transparent work. When others provide > concrete improvements, rather than using the unavoidable uncertainties to > impeach the work, it raises the bar for all of us. There are those whose > adversarial view of the world only admits the blemishes and not the > accomplishments. I am pleased that such impoverished views be ignored in > favor of furthering the Apache Way. > > > > My suggestion for improvement, in case you missed it, was to compare > > equal time periods, e.g. January-April 2012 with January-April 2013. > > Even those types of comparisons are difficult. For example to look at > number of file commits in 2011 would see a lot of arist, Kay and wave > activity which was entirely related to AL2 headers and transferring > OOo-site. > exactly correct! On the building guide...one quick comment. For people on various linuxes, things can be quite complicated. I used the "quick" build guide as a starting point but even the "needed packages", names, will vary from distro to distro I am finding, so this is a bit of an issue. Many issues I had problem with I could only resolve by taking a nice long look at the configure script itself. And, to make matters worse, package names will vary in the same distro depending on the version of the distro. Well at least that seems to the case for me in opensuse. Maybe others are better. Once we get past 4.0, I do hope that I can get my "strings" issue resolved and get back to some actual development. > > Also people's activity ebbs and flows as a function of interest and > workload. Currently my workload is very high. Lots of 12 hour days at > $dayjob. > > Regards, > Dave > > > > > -Rob > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] > >> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 06:23 > >> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > >> Subject: Re: Statistic over committer activity. > >> > >> [ ... ] > >> > >> We chose to respect the Apache Way and hold all our discussions in > >> public: all project planning is done on this public list. This is a big > >> challenge. We have no other channels, so any discussions on how to > >> attract new developers and any supporting figures that can help that > >> kind of discussions belong necessarily here. > >> > >> On the other side, people who've been around for a while know (and now > >> Jan knows too!) that numbers that may be functional to support certain > >> claims will be selectively taken and republished without any kind of > >> disclaimers or analysis. This happens and will continue to happen, and > >> if people cannot find figures on this list they will make them up, or > >> hand-wave, or whatever. > >> > >> [ ... ] > >> > >> So, more than the numbers themselves (all numbers have problems, > >> especially when analyzing commits and doing that over different periods > >> of time), let's keep the good discussion on how we can make contributing > >> easier for newcomers and occasional contributors. We will always need > it. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Andrea. > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MzK "God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, The courage to change the things I can, And wisdom to know the difference." -- "The Serenity Prayer", adapted from Reinhold Niebuhr
