On 8 December 2012 17:55, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 9:50 AM, janI <j...@apache.org> wrote: > > Could you please or someone else make a wiki page, that explains the > setup, > > and why we (as volunteers) have to report to a board !! > > > > I might be the only one, but I have found no hint of the organization of > > apache, and why we suddenly needs to feel responsibility towards a board > > that I do not even know !! ' > > > > Maybe it is a good thing that day-to-day we see no hint of a hierarchy > at Apache? We have an old political saying in the U.S, "The > government that governs least governs best", > +1 for that...no leadership needed here :-)
> > > Making reports to be boards bring me back to the days where I worked for > an > > international company (sie....) and today I want to be working for > > end-users not a anonymous board !!!! > > > > But as you say, until now you didn't even know Apache had a Board of > Directors. > > > I might (again) be completely out of line, but please ASF is NOT a big > > share holder company, it is driven by volunteers, so lets not just make > > "reports" we want to get something back !!! the very minimum is a > > presentation of the board, and their responsibilities. > > > > Sorry for being frank, but I for one, am against making ASF a big company > > look-alike, I want a commity of motivated people, and not a bunch > > responsible to a board, I do not even know !! > > > > The ASF is a corporation, a special kind of corporation yes, but still > a corporation. This is a good thing. It lets the ASF collect > donations in the U.S, enter into contracts, hire contractors, offer > limited liability to its officers, provide governance that can outlive > its founders, etc. This is a source of strength and stability for > Apache. This is a good thing. > I totally agree it is a good thing, and I actually think it is about time that ASF hit the big milk cows in EU, there are quite a few projects where ASF could get money for further developments (I did it, with a small company, so ASF can for sure get something). > > The ASF is not alone in having this structure. Firefox has the > Mozilla Foundation. Eclipse has the Eclipse Foundation. Wikipedia > has the Wikimedia Foundation, LibreOffice has the Document Foundation, > etc. > > But the important thing to note is that there is a big difference > between being a volunteer in a non-profit corporation and being an > employee in a corporation. We're not reporting to the Board our > status in the sense of things we accomplished at the Board's > direction. We're reporting our status, as one of many Apache > projects, so the Board can preserve a high-level overview of all > Apache projects, so they can, among other things, plan for the future, > be aware of trends, problems, etc. Remember, the Board members are > volunteers just like you. They are only trying to help. > I know, but I still like transparency instead of just "assuming", so when Andrea very correctly publish a draft, I would like to (on the same wiki page) see why...that was all I tried to achieve. And just if there any doubts, in my opinion, PMC members and all other do a lot to get the community going, my comments are NOT aimed at shooting anyone down, but just to see if we can do it even better !! > > Regards, > > -Rob > > > Jan. > > > > Ps. I totally agree with your report. > > > > > > > > On 8 December 2012 14:19, Andrea Pescetti <pesce...@apache.org> wrote: > > > >> I started drafting the Board report for December, due on December 12. > >> > >> You can find the current draft at > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**2012+Dec< > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2012+Dec> > >> > >> Please complete/improve it directly on the wiki page, or send comments > >> here. The report should cover, more or less, the period between > graduation > >> and today. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Andrea. > >> >
