This isn't about what the mailing lists are for.

Don't try to fill in what others care about or need. But it would
definitely help if you would be a community member first, in stead of
placing yourself above it.


2012/7/16 Scott Gray <[email protected]>

> It all comes back to a general misunderstanding of the difference between
> the user and dev lists.
>
> The user list is for people who are using OFBiz as a business user or
> developing customized applications.  When these types of people have a
> question, the user list is definitely appropriate.  They don't necessarily
> care about the ongoing development of OFBiz itself, they need to discuss
> how to use what has been released.
> The dev list is for people who are interested in the ongoing development
> of OFBiz and wish to contribute code, documentation and ideas.  If you care
> about the future of OFBiz then this is where you come and contribute.
>
> No one is attempting to exclude OFBiz users from any discussions, if they
> want to be involved in the development of OFBiz then they subscribe to the
> dev list just like everyone else.  I feel like a broken record though, is
> there some way that we can more clearly articulate the distinction to the
> community?
>
> Regards
> Scott
>
> On 16/07/2012, at 9:11 PM, Pierre Smits wrote:
>
> > You mean excluding parts of the community from participating in the
> > decision-taking processes?
> >
> > 2012/7/16 Adrian Crum <[email protected]>
> >
> >> No, it smells like the current goal of moving things we don't want in
> the
> >> main project to external projects. This type of decision-making has been
> >> going on for years.
> >>
> >> -Adrian
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/16/2012 9:45 AM, Pierre Smits wrote:
> >>
> >>> I agree with Ruth. This sounds like a user requirement. And the
> community
> >>> should decide on this.
> >>>
> >>> Furthermore, the remark 'users might like a new feature, but that
> doesn't
> >>> mean the dev community wants it in the project' smells like measuring
> with
> >>> double standards; as if the meritocratic principle doesn't apply when
> the
> >>> committers don't want it in. Or as if changes always get in, when only
> the
> >>> committers want it.
> >>>
> >>> 2012/7/15 Adrian Crum <adrian.crum@sandglass-**software.com<
> [email protected]>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Ruth,
> >>>>
> >>>> I understand your viewpoint. Personally, I prefer to present my ideas
> to
> >>>> the dev list to see if it is something the dev community wants
> included
> >>>> in
> >>>> the project. Users might like a new feature, but that doesn't mean the
> >>>> dev
> >>>> community wants it in the project. If there was no interest from the
> dev
> >>>> community, then I would offer it as an add-on product and announce it
> on
> >>>> the user list.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am also a user, and the design was based on the requirement to
> monitor
> >>>> and control server performance. I suppose I could go to the user list
> for
> >>>> more ideas, but the code I'm planning to commit is pretty basic, and
> >>>> users
> >>>> will be free to enhance it in whatever way they please.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Adrian
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 7/15/2012 12:13 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Adrian:
> >>>>> Shouldn't this be discussed on the "user" list? IMHO Words like
> >>>>> "applications" and "stats about services and entities"...those are
> all
> >>>>> indicative of user requirements, not developer requirements.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Users should be driving requirements gathering and analysis for OFBiz
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> not developers.
> >>>>> Just my 2 cents.
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Ruth
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >>
>
>

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