Hi,

As mentioned earlier, https://github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty/ is
used only by NuttX.

Best regards,

Em seg., 5 de out. de 2026 às 11:33, Alan C. Assis <[email protected]>
escreveu:

> Hi Tiago,
>
> I think we made a mistake when we said that Espressif had already signed
> the SGA.
>
> That SGA was for software Espressif was contributing to the NuttX mainline.
>
> For the HAL, the situation is different. If Espressif signs an SGA for
> their HAL it means Espressif is donating their HAL to ASF, the same way
> Greg donated NuttX to ASF.
>
> By doing so, Espressif will not have rights over its own HAL (same way Greg
> has no rights to NuttX now).
>
> Are you sure Espressif agrees on that? If so, Espressif and the Linux
> Foundation need to agree that ASF will be the owner of the HAL.
>
> BR,
>
> Alan
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2026 at 9:58 AM Tiago Medicci Serrano <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Just addressing the last comments:
> >
> > 1. We can't say anything about other vendors. This is how we proposed to
> > host Espressif's HAL: under the Apache umbrella because we already have a
> > signed CCLA. *Keep in mind that this call for a vote is about Espressif's
> > HAL only*.
> > 2. It's being contributed to a separate repository because:
> > 2.1 It eases new contributions and new syncs being contributed by
> > Espressif.
> > 2.2 The HAL has its own coding style and contribution guide.
> > 2.3 It makes it easier to implement native implementations and isolate
> them
> > from the HAL.
> >
> > Please, keep voting on the proposed subject. Nothing else is being
> > discussed here (we have other threads to discuss it).
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Em sáb., 3 de out. de 2026 às 09:11, Alan C. Assis <[email protected]>
> > escreveu:
> >
> > > Hi Tomek,
> > >
> > > These are the issues I'm seeing here:
> > >
> > > 1) If Espressif donates its HAL to ASF it means they will no longer own
> > the
> > > HAL (you cannot have your cake and eat it too). Is this acceptable to
> > them?
> > >
> > > 2) Even if they accept this, other vendors probably will not accept
> > > donating their HALs. In this case we cannot keep it under ASF.
> > > If so, we would have to place it elsewhere, which would cause
> confusion:
> > > why are some HALs under ASF and others in a different location?
> > >
> > > BR,
> > >
> > > Alan
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2026 at 10:27 PM Tomek CEDRO <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey there Alan,
> > > >
> > > > Most of the raised HAL related issues should be solved that way as
> > > > proposed by Tiago and Espressif in this vote:
> > > > 1. Code ownership and supply chain security (mentioned by Alin).
> > > > 2. Community involvement in faster PR processing (mentioned by
> Felipe).
> > > > 3. We should have more control and impact on the HAL quality and
> > > > availability (mentioned by many).
> > > > 4. HAL is under the NuttX umbrella just as proposed "Zephyr Umbrella
> > > > Way" (mentioned by Renesas).
> > > >
> > > > From I understand Espressif offers to "donate" HAL to ASF to be
> > > > apache/nuttx-hal-espressif and this seems the best possible win-win
> > > > scenario. They don't have to do this but they want - big thank you!
> > > >
> > > > What obstacles do you see here? The vote here is about "Hosting
> > > > Espressif HAL under Apache umbrella" not all HALs. We have perfect
> > > > road paving here and good example for others. If we have problem with
> > > > other HAL then we vote other thing. But why block good solution
> > > > because of other possible bad solutions?
> > > >
> > > > We may one day consider Tiers as proposed by Michal and mentioned by
> > > > Nathan (with FreeBSD):
> > > > 1. Tier 1 - in tree code drivers.
> > > > 2. Tier 2 - HAL that is under ASF and our control. <-- we are voting
> > > > this scenario here.
> > > > 3. Tier 3 - HAL that is external and out of our control (not rally
> > > > welcome).
> > > >
> > > > Could you please reconsider your vote for this particular case /
> > > > scenario that is being voted? It seems that Espressif listened
> > > > carefully and provides best possible scenario :-)
> > > >
> > > > Thanks :-)
> > > > Tomek
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info
> > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2026 at 3:10 PM Alan C. Assis <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > -1
> > > > >
> > > > > As I explained before we cannot keep all HALs under ASF.
> > > > >
> > > > > BR,
> > > > >
> > > > > Alan
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2026 at 10:31 AM Tiago Medicci Serrano <
> > > > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > After several discussions about HAL usage and community
> governance
> > > > > > [1][2][3], we (Espressif) propose hosting the current content of
> `
> > > > > > github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty`
> <http://github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty>
> > <http://github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty>
> > > <http://github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty>
> > > > <http://github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty>
> > > > > > <http://github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty> under an
> ASF-hosted
> > > > > > repository: `
> > > > > > github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif`
> <http://github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif>
> > <http://github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif>
> > > <http://github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif>
> > > > <http://github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif>
> > > > > > <http://github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif>.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *What does it mean:*
> > > > > >
> > > > > >    - `esp-hal-3rdparty` content is already Apache 2.0 licensed.
> > > > > >    - Espressif's CCLA allows us to contribute to a newly created
> > > > > >    repository: we would create a PR on `
> > > > > >    github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif`
> <http://github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif>
> > <http://github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif>
> > > <http://github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif>
> > > > <http://github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif>
> > > > > > <http://github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif> with
> > > `esp-hal-3rdparty`
> > > > > > content.
> > > > > >       - On the other hand, the org account on `github.com/nuttx`
> <http://github.com/nuttx>
> > <http://github.com/nuttx>
> > > <http://github.com/nuttx>
> > > > <http://github.com/nuttx>
> > > > > > <http://github.com/nuttx> is not
> > > > > >       legally attached to Apache Software Foundation and,
> > > > > > consequently, to NuttX.
> > > > > >       We can't directly contribute to it.
> > > > > >    - NuttX's committers will have (just like `nuttx` and
> > > `nuttx-apps`)
> > > > > >    write permissions to merge PRs on the newly created
> repository;
> > > > > >    - Espressif will support the community with HAL usage,
> > including a
> > > > > >    comprehensive guide on how to update it so that any community
> > > > member can
> > > > > >    send patches for HAL.
> > > > > >    - The discussion about HAL governance comes and goes, creating
> > > > > >    instability in the NuttX community among members, developers,
> > and
> > > > > > vendors.
> > > > > >    This is no longer acceptable and needs settlement. That being
> > > said:
> > > > > >       - `github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty`
> <http://github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty>
> > <http://github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty>
> > > <http://github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty>
> > > > <http://github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty>
> > > > > > <http://github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty> will no longer
> > > receive
> > > > > >       direct contributions for now.
> > > > > >       - The newly created `apache/nuttx-hal-espressif` - if the
> > > > community
> > > > > >       agrees on that - will enable it to evolve and receive new
> > > > > > contributions
> > > > > >       with more authority from the community.
> > > > > >       - On the other hand, native development is always an option
> > if
> > > > the
> > > > > >       community decides to keep supporting the devices on its
> own.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *What it doesn't mean:*
> > > > > >
> > > > > >    - It doesn't mean we are pushing NuttX to accept vendor HALs.
> > > > > >    `esp-hal-3rdparty` is a reality, and we want to empower the
> > > > community to
> > > > > >    enable any NuttX member to directly work with it.
> > > > > >       - The discussion of whether NuttX should or should not
> > > officially
> > > > > >       approve vendor HALs is not related to this call for a vote.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This seems to be a *Procedural Issue* [4], and a simple majority
> > > > should be
> > > > > > applied. The community is encouraged to vote. PMC members have
> > > binding
> > > > > > votes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In that sense, my vote (Tiago) is *+1 *(binding)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > References:
> > > > > > [1]
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread/gf4c3z4ds94lon91op4c6zmclqnwtvcf
> > > > > > [2]
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread/nvnrf30jcdsxcrydmo2s95tdtlj8zvx9
> > > > > > [3]
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread/bg74qn14rs9qwson5lzt0xjb4fvbqh6j
> > > > > > [4] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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