Hi all,
I find this extremely disappointing and also confusing. A majority of
binding and non-binding votes opted FOR adopting Java 21. How can this
be justified with our procedures?
Here are my arguments for adopting Java 21 that seems to have been asked
for although they are imho obvious.
* Maven 4 will be a brand new release with many changes. An upgrade of
the required Java version is already included. Changing that from 17 to
21 does not have that much impact on users.
* Java 21 is the latest current Java LTS release, and Java 25 as the
next LTS will be out in September .. that might even be before Maven 4
ships.
* Java 21 has numerous improvements on top of 17 that making programming
with it better (and newer versions are even better).
* Programmers will be less inclined to help a project that uses an old
Java version (17 is 3 years old.. ) and therefore prohibits them for
using modern programming styles and usage.
* Performance of Java 21 is better and it is more suitable to run on
containers (which is common for CI and CD systems these days.
* As a project overall we should strive to provide modern powerful
tooling and that also includes using modern runtime versions and taking
advantage of new features.
* A later upgrade to Java 21 in in 4.1 for example seem to make sense
sense for a minor version update.
* Holding us back to Java 17 means we can not start refactoring the code
to take advantage of features from 18, 19, 20, and 21.
Beyond that I want to discount the "valid" arguments:
* Procedurally there is nothing wrong with changing in the RC phase.
There is no rule about how long that phase is and how many RCs there
should be.
* The new constraints on users only apply if they upgrade to Maven 4 ..
which is completely optional.
* Even people who voted with -1 said that they would like to upgrade and
that it would be nice, so what is really holding this back.
I therefore ask for the conclusion to be reconsidered and following our
majority rules to adopt the raise to Java 21 as requirements for Maven 4
before we release a final version.
Manfred
On 2025-05-03 11:57 p.m., Matthias Bünger wrote:
Morning everyone,
first I would like to thank everybody who participated in the vote
[*1] about lifting the required Java version to 21 for Maven 4.0.0.
The vote has ended with the following votes:
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Binding votes:
+1: Sylwester Lachiewicz, Karl Heinz Marbaise, Tamás Cservenák,
Benjamin Marwell, Arnaud Héritier, Tibor Digaňa
-1: Michael Osipov, Maarten Mulders, Olivier Lamy, Slawomir
Jaranowski, Hervé Boutemy
Non-binding votes:
+1: Gary Gregory, Mateusz Gajewski, Mantas Gridinas, Rodrigo Bourbon,
Willker Gomes, Hans Aikema, Martin Desruisseaux, Torsten Heit, Sandra
Parsick, Dawid Law, Philipp Picej, John Neffenger, Jeremy Landis,
Daniel B. Widdis, Michael Bien, Gregorz Grzybek, Kévin Buntrock, Jorge
Solorzano, Mark Derricutt, Matthias Bünger, Basil Crow, Romain
Manni-Bucau, Thomas Sundberg, Anders Hammar, Piotr P. Karwasz, Niels
Basjes, Enrico Olivelli
-1: Elliotte Rusty Harold
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5 out of 11 binding votes are -1 with valid arguments, including that
there is no actual need to upgrade, that (it's too late, as ) we are
already in RC phase, and that it might put on new constraints to
users. The vote was (in line to the vote about lifting Maven 4 to Java
17) a "procedural majority vote", meaing a simple majority of binding
votes would be enough to considered it to be passed. But due the high
number of negative votes and brought up arguments, I don't think we
should ignore them but take them into consideration for the benefit of
the Maven community. Therefore I call the vote to be non successful.
We can reevaluate in the future, including having a closer look at /
discussion about the benefits and constraints of raising the Java
version.
Wish you a happy sunday!
Matthias
[*1]: https://lists.apache.org/thread/mjbx64vlbd346ov3l4wj6fy9vh8608vr
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