On Sep 19, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Yonik Seeley <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 7:14 AM, Grant Ingersoll <[email protected]> wrote:
>> People will upgrade when
>> the new features they want in the latest release outweigh the mythical pain
>> of upgrading a JDK.
> 
> Perhaps the technical pain of upgrade is largely mythical, but it's
> real pain for real users who have no say over what version of Java
> they can run (or at a minimum have to jump  through a lot of hoops to
> change the java version).

Fully well aware of this, but trunk is not, by definition released, so there is 
nothing for them to upgrade to.

> 
> There is no right answer... it's a judgement call where we should
> weigh all the factors each time we require a new Java version.  People
> may weigh factors differently, but no factor should be dismissed out
> of hand.

Of course not, just saying I personally think trunk should move forward as fast 
as the regular contributors and committers want, which means, we decide/vote 
and then move on based on the outcome and that the branches (4x or 5x or 
whatever) should be slower to make any changes.  People who take years to 
upgrade their JDK also likely take years to upgrade Lucene or Solr or whatever. 
 I'm all for keeping and maintaining older branches for those who don't want to 
upgrade as long as the community is willing to support them.

As for Doug's comments, I think they reflect a time when we only maintained one 
branch and it was more of a forced decision for users.  It isn't as cut and 
dried anymore with multiple branches, services like Solr and ES, etc.  I do 
agree, wholeheartedly however, that we should all be thoughtful and considerate 
of other's opinions in the process.

-Grant
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