Hi TengYao and Chia-Ping, I updated the KIP page with examples.
Best, On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 2:39 PM TengYao Chi <kiting...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Josep > > Thanks for the explanation. I see your point. > It makes sense to keep these levels distinct for larger initiatives like > KIP-853. I agree with your perspective. > > Best regards, > TengYao > > Josep Prat <josep.p...@aiven.io.invalid> 於 2024年8月19日 週一 下午6:36寫道： > > > Hi TengYao, > > > > I get your point. I think smaller features definitely go too quickly > > through stages to even acknowledge the change. > > However, I would still think it's necessary to have these 2 levels > > separated when it comes to bigger feature initiatives. The biggest use > case > > I see right now is to signal to the release manager (and the community) > if > > a feature is usable or not yet usable. I believe the fact to become > usable > > for a feature is a big enough step to gain its own entity. > > > > > > Let's take KIP-853 as an example. This KIP was approved and initially > added > > to the release plan for Kafka 3.8. At this point the feature would be in > > Level 1. By the time of the feature freeze the feature was still on Level > > 1, so the release manager (who happened to be me) knew that the KIP would > > not make it in this release and would need to be postponed to a future > > release. After that, development on this feature continued and it was > > declared to enter level 2 right in time for being in Kafka 3.9. > > > > Let me know what you think. > > > > Best, > > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 8:51 AM TengYao Chi <kiting...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Hello Josep, > > > I think this KIP is a great addition to the community that we now have > a > > > crystal-clear definition for the state of a feature. > > > > > > In the current proposal, I think Level 1 is defined as the stage where > a > > > feature is "incomplete and unusable", while Level 2 represents a > feature > > > that is "usable but potentially incomplete". > > > The distinction between these two levels might not always be clear, > > > especially during the transition of a feature from "unusable" to > "usable > > > but incomplete". > > > > > > IMHO, to simplify the process and reduce confusion for both developers > > and > > > users, I would suggest merging Level 1 and Level 2 into a single > unified > > > level. > > > This merged level could cover the entire phase from when a feature is > > > unstable to when it becomes usable but incomplete. > > > > > > WYDT? > > > > > > Best regards, > > > TengYao > > > > > > Josep Prat <josep.p...@aiven.io.invalid> 於 2024年8月19日 週一 上午2:58寫道： > > > > > > > Hi Chia-Ping, > > > > > > > > As far as I can tell, Tiered Storage is still at level 3. I think the > > > > intention would be to declare it level 4 in 4.0.0. > > > > KIP-848 was in level 2 in Kafka 3.7. and it went level 3 in Kafka > 3.8. > > > > Level 4 features would be for example MirrorMaker2 for example. As > far > > > as I > > > > understand the Docker image is level 4. > > > > > > > > Does that make sense? If so I can update the KIP with those examples. > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > ------------------ > > > > Josep Prat > > > > Open Source Engineering Director, Aiven > > > > josep.p...@aiven.io | +491715557497 | aiven.io > > > > Aiven Deutschland GmbH > > > > Alexanderufer 3-7, 10117 Berlin > > > > Geschäftsführer: Oskari Saarenmaa, Hannu Valtonen, > > > > Anna Richardson, Kenneth Chen > > > > Amtsgericht Charlottenburg, HRB 209739 B > > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2024, 21:46 Chia-Ping Tsai <chia7...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > hi Josep > > > > > > > > > > Although I didn't join the discussion before, the KIP is > interesting > > > and > > > > > great to me. > > > > > > > > > > one small comment: > > > > > > > > > > Could you please add existent features as an example to each level > > for > > > > the > > > > > readers who have poor reading (like me) ? For instance, I guess the > > new > > > > > coordinator is level 3? tiered storage is level 4? > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > Chia-Ping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Josep Prat <josep.p...@aiven.io.invalid> 於 2024年8月19日 週一 上午2:13寫道： > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I want to start a discussion for KIP-1081: Graduation Steps for > > > > Features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-1081%3A+Graduation+Steps+for+Features > > > > > > > > > > > > We already had a bit of a discussion here > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/5z6rxvs9m0bro5ssmtg8qcgdk40882bz > > and > > > > > that > > > > > > materialized into this KIP. > > > > > > > > > > > > I deliberately defined the graduation steps without giving them a > > > name, > > > > > so > > > > > > we don't go bike-shedding there. There is a separate section for > > the > > > > > names > > > > > > of each step. Also an alternative set of names. I'd like to get > > some > > > > > > feedback on the steps, and also on the names for the steps. > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to your opinions, and hopefully only a tiny bit > of > > > > > > bike-shedding :) > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > [image: Aiven] <https://www.aiven.io> > > > > > > > > > > > > *Josep Prat* > > > > > > Open Source Engineering Director, *Aiven* > > > > > > josep.p...@aiven.io | +491715557497 > > > > > > aiven.io <https://www.aiven.io> | < > > > > > https://www.facebook.com/aivencloud > > > > > > > > > > > > > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aiven/> < > > > > > > https://twitter.com/aiven_io> > > > > > > *Aiven Deutschland GmbH* > > > > > > Alexanderufer 3-7, 10117 Berlin > > > > > > Geschäftsführer: Oskari Saarenmaa, Hannu Valtonen, > > > > > > Anna Richardson, Kenneth Chen > > > > > > Amtsgericht Charlottenburg, HRB 209739 B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > [image: Aiven] <https://www.aiven.io> > > > > *Josep Prat* > > Open Source Engineering Director, *Aiven* > > josep.p...@aiven.io | +491715557497 > > aiven.io <https://www.aiven.io> | < > https://www.facebook.com/aivencloud > > > > > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aiven/> < > > https://twitter.com/aiven_io> > > *Aiven Deutschland GmbH* > > Alexanderufer 3-7, 10117 Berlin > > Geschäftsführer: Oskari Saarenmaa, Hannu Valtonen, > > Anna Richardson, Kenneth Chen > > Amtsgericht Charlottenburg, HRB 209739 B > > > -- [image: Aiven] <https://www.aiven.io> *Josep Prat* Open Source Engineering Director, *Aiven* josep.p...@aiven.io | +491715557497 aiven.io <https://www.aiven.io> | <https://www.facebook.com/aivencloud> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aiven/> <https://twitter.com/aiven_io> *Aiven Deutschland GmbH* Alexanderufer 3-7, 10117 Berlin Geschäftsführer: Oskari Saarenmaa, Hannu Valtonen, Anna Richardson, Kenneth Chen Amtsgericht Charlottenburg, HRB 209739 B
