Hi all To conclude this thread, all required changes listed for adhering to ASF guidelines (documented at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-13868) have been merged to the website. If you find any other aspects where we are not adhering to ASF privacy policy <https://privacy.apache.org/faq/committers.html>, please feel free to create a new ticket.
Thanks everyone for chiming in on this discussion thread. -- Divij Vaidya On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 5:08 PM Mickael Maison <mickael.mai...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Don't get me wrong, the videos are great and it's definitively the > type of content we want on the website. We just got to be careful that > all content is vendor neutral. I'm not advocating for introducing new > policies or processes, I think the current PR process should be good > enough. > > As noted, in this case the main issue comes from Youtube automatically > adding the channel branding to the videos. Also on the quickstart and > intro videos Tim says he's from Confluent. The intro he uses in the > Streams videos [0] is in my opinion preferable. If it's possible to > address this without some major editing, I think it would be worth > doing. > > Thanks, > Mickael > > 0: https://kafka.apache.org/32/documentation/streams/ > > On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 4:22 PM Bill Bejeck <bbej...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Divij, > > > > After thinking about the embedded videos some more I think it's probably > > best for now to go with option 1 you presented above (text links to the > > videos). > > I will do a follow on PR for option #2 - creating an image placeholder > that > > will trigger the video once clicked. > > > > Thanks again for driving this update effort. > > > > -Bill > > > > On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 5:25 PM Bill Bejeck <bbej...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I've filed an issue with INFRA ( > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-23499) to ask about > uploading > > > the videos to the ASF YouTube channel, which would resolve the branding > > > issue. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Bill > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 1:43 PM Bill Bejeck <bbej...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Divij, > > >> > > >> First of all, let me say thanks for taking up this task. > > >> > > >> We seem to have two options: > > >>> 1. Replace videos on the website with links to the videos OR > > >>> 2. Take a placeholder image and use JS to trigger playback after the > user > > >>> clicks. > > >>> > > >>> I would suggest going with option#1 right now due to time > constraints and > > >>> create a ticket to do (more user friendly) option#2 in the future.* > What > > >>> do > > >>> you think?* > > >>> > > >> > > >> I'm inclined to go with option #2. > > >> > > >> But taking a look at the https://apache.org/ site, there's an > embedded > > >> video directly on the page, not an image or a link. > > >> > > >> So I'm wondering, since the video doesn't start playing right away and > > >> requires a user to click to start it, that the "click image to start" > > >> requirement is satisfied, > > >> > > >> as it aligns with what we see now on the Apache® Software Foundation > page. > > >> > > >> > > >> Regarding the branding, that's not in the video file itself but comes > > >> from YouTube and the video's channel. > > >> > > >> I propose that we host the video on the Apache YouTube > > >> <https://www.youtube.com/c/TheApacheFoundation/featured> channel, and > > >> that would take care of the branding issue. > > >> > > >> > > >> What do you think? > > >> > > >> > > >> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 4:19 AM Divij Vaidya <divijvaidy...@gmail.com > > > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Thanks for chiming in with your opinions John/Mickael. > > >>> > > >>> The current set of videos are very helpful and removing them might > be a > > >>> disservice to our users. The most ideal solution would be to host the > > >>> videos on Apache servers without any branding. Another less than > ideal > > >>> solution would be to host a repository of links to educational > content on > > >>> our website. > > >>> > > >>> As for the next steps, I am going to do the following which would > help us > > >>> get answers on whether solution 1 or solution 2 is more feasible. > Please > > >>> let me know if you think we need to do something different here. > > >>> 1. Reach out to ASF legal and ask what permissions/licence would we > > >>> require > > >>> from the video owners to host the videos ourselves. > > >>> 2. Reach out to ASF community mailing list > > >>> < > > >>> > https://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community > > >>> > > > >>> and ask how other communities are hosting educational content. > > >>> > > >>> There is still an open question about how we decide what content gets > > >>> added > > >>> and what doesn't. I would propose that the model should be the same > as > > >>> accepting code changes i.e. it goes through a community review > requiring > > >>> votes committers/PMC members. > > >>> > > >>> Regards, > > >>> Divij Vaidya > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 3:57 AM John Roesler <vvcep...@apache.org> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > Hi all, > > >>> > > > >>> > Yes, thanks Divij for driving this! > > >>> > > > >>> > I tend to agree with Mickael about having vendor branding > > >>> > front-and-center like that. > > >>> > > > >>> > On the other hand, I think the video itself is quite nice, and > > >>> > it's a good thing to put in front of newcomers for a human > > >>> > introduction to the project. > > >>> > > > >>> > I took a look at the video on those pages, and I'm not sure > > >>> > if the videos themselves are branded. It looks like the branding > > >>> > marks are markup that YouTube pastes on top of the video. > > >>> > > > >>> > Perhaps a solution is for Kafka to set up a channel of our own > > >>> > and upload the videos there? Or maybe just host the videos > > >>> > as static resources on our site directly? Approaches like those > > >>> > are probably good policy anyway, because then we > > >>> > would control the content that shows on our site. > > >>> > > > >>> > Thanks, > > >>> > John > > >>> > > > >>> > On Tue, Jul 19, 2022, at 11:48, Mickael Maison wrote: > > >>> > > Hi Divij, > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Thanks for leading this work. > > >>> > > > > >>> > > To be honest I'm not sure what to do with the videos. I'm > actually > > >>> > > wondering if these videos should be on our website at all. > > >>> > > > > >>> > > My concerns is that they are branded. I find the content of the > > >>> videos > > >>> > > very good but I don't think we should include branded content > from > > >>> > > vendors on the Apache website, or at least not put it front and > > >>> > > center. This is literally the first thing we show to newcomers, > > >>> > > there's one at the top of both the Intro > > >>> > > (https://kafka.apache.org/intro) and quickstart > > >>> > > (https://kafka.apache.org/quickstart) pages. > > >>> > > > > >>> > > If tomorrow another vendor was to open a PR adding their videos > to > > >>> > > other pages, would we allow that? I searched the archives and > > >>> couldn't > > >>> > > find a discussion about adding branded third party content to the > > >>> > > website. If I missed that, please share a link, otherwise I think > > >>> this > > >>> > > should be discussed. > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Thanks, > > >>> > > Mickael > > >>> > > > > >>> > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 4:08 PM Divij Vaidya < > > >>> divijvaidy...@gmail.com> > > >>> > wrote: > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> Hi community > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> We have managed to fix most of the required items, thanks to > Mickael > > >>> > >> Maison, Luke Chen and Tom Bentley for quick reviews. > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> But we still need to talk about item #5 i.e. the problem with > > >>> "Embedded > > >>> > >> videos don't have an image placeholder". Quoting from the ASF > > >>> > guidelines: > > >>> > >> *Can I embed videos (from YouTube, Vimeo, etc.)?* > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> *Yes, you can embed videos on the website, but they should load > only > > >>> > after > > >>> > >> the user actively wants them to load. Arrange this by showing a > > >>> > placeholder > > >>> > >> image first and loading the video after the user clicks on the > > >>> image. > > >>> > Make > > >>> > >> it clear that users who click the image will load a video from a > > >>> third > > >>> > >> party.* > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> *If you don’t want placeholder images, consider self-hosted > videos > > >>> and > > >>> > >> using an open source player like Plyr < > > >>> https://github.com/sampotts/plyr > > >>> > >.* > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> We seem to have two options: > > >>> > >> 1. Replace videos on the website with links to the videos OR > > >>> > >> 2. Take a placeholder image and use JS to trigger playback > after the > > >>> > user > > >>> > >> clicks. > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> I would suggest going with option#1 right now due to time > > >>> constraints > > >>> > and > > >>> > >> create a ticket to do (more user friendly) option#2 in the > future.* > > >>> > What do > > >>> > >> you think?* > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> -- > > >>> > >> Divij Vaidya > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 5:10 PM Divij Vaidya < > > >>> divijvaidy...@gmail.com> > > >>> > >> wrote: > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > Hello Apache Kafka community > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > The ASF has a new data privacy policy to comply with the GDPR > (the > > >>> > >> > European Union's General Data Protection Regulation) and we - > > >>> like all > > >>> > >> > other ASF projects - have been asked to update our project > > >>> homepage > > >>> > >> > accordingly. > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > Mickael Maison has kindly traged the initial set of > requirements > > >>> and > > >>> > >> > listed down the required set of changes at > > >>> > >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-13868. > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > I would like to bring your attention to a few PRs that > address the > > >>> > >> > required changes and also solicit your comments on how I plan > to > > >>> solve > > >>> > >> > others. > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > 1. Our website is missing privacy policy -> Addressed by > adding an > > >>> > item in > > >>> > >> > the top nav bar https://github.com/apache/kafka-site/pull/421 > . > > >>> > *Action - > > >>> > >> > please review the PR.* > > >>> > >> > 2. It's using Google Analytics -> I would propose that we > should > > >>> get > > >>> > rid > > >>> > >> > of Google Analytics in favor of Apache recommended Matomo > > >>> > >> > <https://privacy.apache.org/faq/committers.html> for website > > >>> > analytics. > > >>> > >> > If you folks agree, I would request a Matomo site ID for > Apache > > >>> Kafka > > >>> > to > > >>> > >> > make the required changes. > > >>> > >> > *Action - do you agree to this change?*3. It's using Google > Fonts > > >>> -> I > > >>> > >> > have moved the Google fonts to a self hosted version which is > > >>> > acceptable by > > >>> > >> > Apache in the PR > https://github.com/apache/kafka-site/pull/420. > > >>> > >> > *Action - please review the PR. *4. It's using scripts hosted > on > > >>> > >> > Cloudflare CDN -> We use JS scripts such as handlebars > > >>> > >> > <https://github.com/handlebars-lang/handlebars.js> and prism > > >>> > >> > <https://prismjs.com/>. Both these libraries are MIT > licensed and > > >>> > hence, > > >>> > >> > could be hosted locally along with the website. I will move > them > > >>> > along to > > >>> > >> > be placed along with the website. > > >>> > >> > *Action - do you agree to this change?*5. Embedded videos > don't > > >>> have > > >>> > an > > >>> > >> > image placeholder -> I don't have a proposed solution for > this. > > >>> > *Action - > > >>> > >> > can someone with front end experience help us with this one?* > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > Note that we need to make these changes by July 22nd and hence > > >>> your > > >>> > >> > immediate attention would be greatly appreciated. > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > Cheers! > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > -- > > >>> > >> > Divij Vaidya > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >> >
