Hi Fokko, Xianjin,

Thanks for both proposals, I will take a deeper look soon! Both seems
promising at the first glance.

For the use cases,
- I have seen requirements for converting incoming Avro records with
evolving schema and writing them to a table.
- I have seen requirements for creating new tables when a new group of
records starts to come in.
- I have seen requirements for accommodating partitioning scheme changes
when the Table has been changed.

The other info used for writing is:
- branch
- spec

Charging the target branch based on the incoming records seems easy, and I
was wondering if there is an easy way to alter the table for the target
spec. This would make a fully dynamic sink. I don't have a concrete use
case ATM, so if it is not trivial, we could just leave it for later.
What surprised me is that there is no easy way to convert a Transform to a
PartitionSpec update.

Thanks, Peter

On Mon, Aug 19, 2024, 15:16 Xianjin YE <xian...@apache.org> wrote:

> Hey Péter,
>
> For evolving the schema, Spark has the ability to mergeSchema
> <https://github.com/apache/iceberg/blob/d4e0b3f2078ee5ed113ba69b800c55c5994e33b8/spark/v3.5/spark/src/main/java/org/apache/iceberg/spark/source/SparkWriteBuilder.java#L172>
>  based
> into the new incoming Schema, you may want to take a look at that.
>
> For evolving the partition spec, I don’t think there’s an easy way to
> evolve to the desired spec directly.
> And BTW, what’s your user case to evolve the partition spec directly in a
> Flink job? The common request I received was that the partition spec is
> updated externally and users want the Flink job to pick up the latest spec
> without a job restart.
>
> On Aug 19, 2024, at 19:43, Fokko Driesprong <fo...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hey Peter,
>
> Thanks for raising this since I recently ran into the same issue. The APIs
> that we have today nicely hide the field IDs from the user, which is great.
>
> I do think all the methods are in there to evolve the schema to the
> desired one, however, we don't have a way to control the field-IDs. For
> evolving the schema, I recently wrote a
> <https://github.com/delta-io/delta/blob/18f5b4cde2120079e15ad4afc7ec84f7f1f48108/iceberg/src/main/java/shadedForDelta/org/apache/iceberg/EvolveSchemaVisitor.java>
> SchemaWithParentVisitor
> <https://github.com/delta-io/delta/blob/18f5b4cde2120079e15ad4afc7ec84f7f1f48108/iceberg/src/main/java/shadedForDelta/org/apache/iceberg/EvolveSchemaVisitor.java>
> that will evolve the schema to a target schema that you supply. This
> might do the trick for the FlinkDynamicSink. If you want to keep the old
> fields as well (to avoid breaking downstream consumers), then the
> UnionByName
> <https://github.com/apache/iceberg/blob/main/core/src/main/java/org/apache/iceberg/schema/UnionByNameVisitor.java>
> visitor might also do the trick.
>
> The most important part is; where are you tracking the field IDs? For
> example, when renaming a field, the Flink job should update the existing
> field and not perform a drop+add operation.
>
> Kind regards,
> Fokko
>
> Op ma 19 aug 2024 om 13:26 schreef Péter Váry <peter.vary.apa...@gmail.com
> >:
>
>> Hi Team,
>>
>> I'm playing around with creating a Flink Dynamic Sink which would allow
>> schema changes without the need for job restart. So when a record with an
>> unknown schema arrives, then it would update the Iceberg table to the new
>> schema and continue processing the records.
>>
>> Lets's say, I have the `Schema newSchema` and `PartitionSpec newSpec` at
>> hand, and I have the `Table icebergTable` with a different Schema and
>> PartitionSpec. I know, that we have the `Table.updateSchema` and
>> `Table.updateSpec` to modify them, but these methods in the API only allow
>> for incremental changes (addColumn, updateColumn, or addField,
>> removeField). Do we have an existing API for effectively updating the
>> Iceberg Table schema/spec to a new one, if we have the target schema and
>> spec at hand?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Peter
>>
>
>

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