Hi James, it seems we are not understanding each other. I'm not suggesting we upgrade to Groovy 6 in Grails 8.1. I am suggesting we release Grails 9.0.0-M1 with Groovy 6 and Spring Boot 4.2 right away. There we will be current and up-to-date and able to test everything.
Why would it be January before we can adopt Spring Boot 4.2 when we can start testing it on M2 today and RC1 in a couple of weeks. /Mattias Den tors 8 okt. 2026 kl 18:39 skrev James Daugherty <[email protected]>: > > Hi Mattias, > > Our release policy says we can't update on minor versions, if we could we > could technically make 8.1 have Groovy 6 support. The reason a major is > being proposed is because we're trying to follow our release policy. > > It will also likely be January before we can adopt Spring 4.2. If we wait to > put groovy in, 4 months will have passed and major Groovy development will > have started back up again. The reason to get on Groovy faster is so that we > can be doing development while they are. We have been 2 versions behind to > date and I'm skeptical we'll catch up if we wait to release support for > Groovy 6. Based on what I've already found with 5, I'm worried further > language decisions will be made prior to our adoption and it will be too late > to change them by the time we find them. > > From a support perspective, support ends on 4.1 in Summer 2027 and for 4.2 at > the end of year on 2027. Jumping to 10 to 4.2 grants 6 months of additional > support, so I wouldn't consider 4.2 a minor. > > What's being proposed is to skip / jump ahead so we don't stay behind. > > -James > > On 2026/10/08 08:15:41 Mattias Reichel wrote: > > My feeling is that with this plan we are moving too fast with little gain. > > I fail to see the up-sides of doing this, but I'm probably missing > > something. > > > > From a user perspective I think it would be strange that the main > > selling point of Grails 10, as it stands now, would be a minor bump of > > Spring Boot. > > > > We need to help the rest of the Grails ecosystem to catch up as well. > > I'm also pretty certain there will be much maintenance work on Grails 8. > > > > I think we should release Grails 9.0.0-M1 with Groovy 6 (indy-on) with > > Spring Boot 4.2-M2 and start testing end applications early against > > that. > > > > As was the case for Grails 8, I'm sure there are also many great ideas > > and features that need time to develop, polish, review and test before > > going into a major release. > > > > Spring Boot RC1 is scheduled for October 22 which historically has > > meant a GA one month later. That schedule has been in flux but it > > seems the Spring team is trying to get back on track: > > https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-boot/issues/50902#issuecomment-5914928034 > > > > Also important to factor in is the extra OSS support time of Spring > > Boot for Grails 9. > > > > If Spring Boot 4.2 is released late November, which my guess it will > > be, we will have shot ourselves in the foot, doing a Grails 9 with > > Boot 4.1. > > > > That Groovy master is already on Groovy 7 is to my understanding just > > how that project works. > > As soon as Groovy 6 was released, it became a maintenance branch, and > > only gets backport fixes from master. > > > > /Mattias > > > > > > Den ons 7 okt. 2026 kl 17:57 skrev James Fredley <[email protected]>: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > This is a follow-up to the earlier thread and to today's weekly meeting. > > > This is a discuss thread, not a vote. The goal is to settle the language > > > for a follow-up [VOTE] on the next several Grails lines. > > > > > > Grails 8.0.0 is out (Groovy 5, Spring Boot 4.1). Work toward Groovy 6 is > > > already on the 9.0.x line, and Apache Groovy 6.0.0 is out. Groovy 7 work > > > has already started: https://github.com/apache/groovy > > > > > > Please comment on the plan and on the wording. If you want to change the > > > language, copy the whole proposal block below, paste it into your reply, > > > and edit it there. Do not send a partial rewrite or a diff of a > > > sentence. A full replacement block is what we will carry into the vote. > > > If you agree with the block as written, a +1 on this thread is enough. > > > Discussion on this thread is not a binding vote. > > > > > > PROPOSAL (copy this whole block if you want to change the language) > > > > > > 1. Grails 9.0.x > > > 1. Merge the 8.1.x branch up into the 9.0.x branch. > > > 2. Do not release 8.1.x. Skip that line. > > > 3. Ship 9.0.x as a lighter release: bring Grails current with > > > Groovy, without waiting on the next Spring Boot line. > > > 4. Base it on Groovy 6. > > > 5. Turn invokedynamic on. > > > 1. Turning invokedynamic off is not a viable default. In Groovy > > > 6.0.0 the classic call-site implementation has moved out of groovy-core > > > into the separate groovy-callsite module, and that surface is on a path > > > to deprecation. Core dispatch already uses invokedynamic. > > > 6. Target 9.0.0 for the end of November 2026. > > > 7. This release catches Grails up to Groovy. Apache Groovy 7 work > > > has already started: https://github.com/apache/groovy > > > > > > 2. Grails 10 (the line previously discussed as 9.1.x) > > > 1. Rename the planned 9.1.x line to 10. > > > 2. Base it on Groovy 6 and Spring Boot 4.2. > > > 3. Target 2027 Q1. Aim to release within one month of Spring Boot > > > 4.2. That window is tight because of existing time commitments. > > > 4. Use the major version bump so the release can carry material > > > breaking changes and move the framework forward. > > > > > > > > > James > >
