Done. I replaced KIP -> FLIP and Kafka -> Flink. Still there are some things we need to rework. Please have a look and propose changes.
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/Flink+Improvement+Proposals Same for FLIP Template https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/FLIP+Template -Matthias On 07/08/2016 09:56 AM, Aljoscha Krettek wrote: > Hi, > I got this reply from one of the Kafka committers: > > Thanks for sharing your intention to use a process similar to our KIP > > process. You are more than welcome to copy the structures and docs that we > > have for the KIP process. :) > > Ismael > > > So it seems we're good to go. @Matthias, since you are a Kafka contributor, > could you maybe copy the relevant docs from the Kafka wiki to our wiki? The > source for this page: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/Kafka+Improvement+Proposals > and > the KIP template that is referenced there. If you want, I can take it from > there and adapt it to Flink and then let everyone discuss it again. > > > Cheers, > > Aljoscha > > On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 at 11:38 Aljoscha Krettek <aljos...@apache.org> wrote: > >> I'll reach out to the Kafka community and ask if it's ok for us to "steal" >> their process for this. >> >> On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 at 11:36 Aljoscha Krettek <aljos...@apache.org> wrote: >> >>> @Matthias: Yes, this is the reason why I like the KIP process and why I >>> said "The problem with these is that a) the comments on the Google Docs are >>> not reflected in Jira and the mailing list. There has been some very active >>> discussion on some of the docs that most people would never notice.". >>> >>> On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 at 11:28 Robert Metzger <rmetz...@apache.org> wrote: >>> >>>> I also like the proposal. I think its an issue that Google Docs comments >>>> are not reflected within ASF infra. Therefore, I'm +1 on discussing the >>>> proposals on the mailing list. >>>> >>>> I agree that we need to clean up our wiki. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Matthias J. Sax <mj...@apache.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just to point out one thing about Kafka KIPs and using the project >>>> wiki: >>>>> >>>>> The wiki contains the current state of the proposal, while the >>>>> discussion is covered over the dev-mailing list. IMHO, this makes a lot >>>>> of sense, as people tend to follow the mailing list but not wiki >>>>> changes. Furthermore, the mailing list tracks the whole discussion >>>>> history, while the proposal is kept in a clean state and thus easy to >>>> read. >>>>> >>>>> -Matthias >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 07/06/2016 10:09 PM, Aljoscha Krettek wrote: >>>>>> Jip, that's why I referenced the Kafka process which is also in their >>>>> wiki. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 at 21:01 Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, big +1 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I had actually talked about the same thing with some people as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am currently sketching a few FLIPs for things, like improvements >>>> to >>>>> the >>>>>>> Yarn/Mesos/Kubernetes integration >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One thing we should do here is to actually structure the wiki a bit >>>> to >>>>> make >>>>>>> it easier to find information and proposals. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Ufuk Celebi <u...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey Aljoscha, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> thanks for this proposal. I've somehow missed it last week. I like >>>> the >>>>>>>> idea very much and agree with your assessment about the problems >>>> with >>>>>>>> the Google Doc approach. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regarding the process: I'm also in favour of adopting it from >>>> Kafka. I >>>>>>>> would not expect any problems with this, but we can post a quick >>>> note >>>>>>>> to their ML. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> @Matthias: The name works for me. ;-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> – Ufuk >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Matthias J. Sax < >>>> mj...@apache.org> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> FLIP ?? Really? :D >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.maya.tv/en/character/flip >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Matthias >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 06/28/2016 06:26 PM, Aljoscha Krettek wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I'm proposing to add a formal process for how we deal with >>>> (major) >>>>>>>>>> improvements to Flink and design docs. This has been mentioned >>>>> several >>>>>>>>>> times recently but we never took any decisive action to actually >>>>>>>> implement >>>>>>>>>> such a process so here we go. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Right now, we have Jira issues and we sometimes we have design >>>> docs >>>>>>>> that we >>>>>>>>>> keep in Google Docs. Jamie recently added links to those that he >>>>> could >>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>>> on the mailing list to the Flink wiki: >>>>>>>>>> >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/Apache+Flink+Home. >>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>> problem with these is that a) the comments on the Google Docs >>>> are not >>>>>>>>>> reflected in Jira and the mailing list. There has been some very >>>>>>> active >>>>>>>>>> discussion on some of the docs that most people would never >>>> notice. >>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>> community therefore might seem less active than it actually is. >>>> b) >>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> documents are not very discoverable, if we had a clearly defined >>>>> place >>>>>>>>>> where we put them and also prominently link to this on the Flink >>>>>>>> homepage >>>>>>>>>> this would greatly help people that try to find out about current >>>>>>>>>> developments. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kafka has a process like this: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/Kafka+Improvement+Proposals >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> They call it KIP, for Kafka Improvement Proposal. We could either >>>>>>> adapt >>>>>>>>>> this for Flink or come up with our own process. Doing the former >>>>> would >>>>>>>> save >>>>>>>>>> us a lot of time and I don't think the Kafka community would >>>> mind us >>>>>>>>>> copying their process. The subject also hints at this, our >>>> process >>>>>>>> could be >>>>>>>>>> called FLIP, for Flink Improvement Proposal. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What do you think? Feedback is highly welcome. :-) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> Aljoscha >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >
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