Well. It is not "my" article. It is on Wikipedia. Anyone can (and should) improve it!
On 07/07/2015 05:08 PM, Stephan Ewen wrote: > It was just a suggestion. > > @Matthias: You wrote the article, you decide. If you want to keep it, > that's fine! > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Matthias J. Sax < > mj...@informatik.hu-berlin.de> wrote: > >> I agree with Kostas and don't see much danger that people get confused. >> Nevertheless, I will update the history section accordingly. >> >> >> On 07/07/2015 04:48 PM, Kostas Tzoumas wrote: >>> I think it is clear to most people that the only official and (hopefully) >>> up-to-date description of an Apache project is its Apache website, and >> any >>> paper can get outdated. Perhaps we can change the link to a more >> up-to-date >>> paper when we have one. >>> >>> I like the article, thanks Matthias! >>> >>> Kostas >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Okay, I wrote a lot there >>>> >>>> tl:dr = Let's make sure people understand that the Stratosphere paper >> does >>>> not describe Flink. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Matthias J. Sax < >>>> mj...@informatik.hu-berlin.de> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I can't follow. Stratosphere is only mentioned in the "History" part. >> Of >>>>> course, we can strike out "Stratosphere II" and make clear that Flink >> is >>>>> a fork on Stratosphere. But that is minor. >>>>> >>>>> And adding the Stratosphere papers as a reference, was the requirement >>>>> to get the article accepted in the first place. Thus, it would not make >>>>> sense to remove them. Currently, there are no other "reliable and >>>>> notable" source (in term of Wikipedia guidelines) that can be used as >>>>> references. >>>>> >>>>> Of course, the article is super short and needs to be extended. But the >>>>> project is moving fast and only "stable" stuff should be on Wikipedia. >>>>> It is hard enough to keep the project web page up to data. ;) Maybe, we >>>>> can discuss what should be included and what not. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Matthias >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 07/07/2015 04:17 PM, Stephan Ewen wrote: >>>>>> Thanks, Matthias, for starting this. >>>>>> >>>>>> It looks a bit like the article talks more about the Stratosphere >>>> project >>>>>> than Flink right now. >>>>>> I think we need to make a few things clear, to not confuse people: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) Flink != Stratosphere. When looking at the Stratosphere Paper and >>>> when >>>>>> looking at Flink, you look at two completely different things. It is >>>> not >>>>>> just that a name changed. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2) It is not Stratosphere that became an Apache project. The project >>>> that >>>>>> became Apache Flink was forked from a subset of the Stratosphere >>>> project >>>>>> (core runtime only). That subset covered 1.5 out of the 5 areas of >>>>>> Stratosphere. >>>>>> >>>>>> When Flink became an Apache project, the only features it contained >>>> that >>>>>> were developed as part of Stratosphere, were the iterations, and the >>>>>> optimizer. Everything else had been re-developed. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3) Flink has nothing to do with Stratosphere II. Even though that >>>>> research >>>>>> project talks about streaming, they have a very different angle to >>>> that. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I am writing this, because we are working heavy on making it easier >> for >>>>>> people to grasp what Flink is, and what it is not. >>>>>> A system with so many features and so much different technology is >>>> bound >>>>> to >>>>>> be hard to grasp. >>>>>> >>>>>> The article gives people sources that seemingly describe what Flink >> is, >>>>> but >>>>>> have little to do with what it is. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The relationship between Flink and Stratosphere is actually the >>>>> following: >>>>>> Flink is based on some research outcomes of Stratosphere (I), and was >>>>>> bootstrapped from a fork of the Stratosphere code base of late 2013. >>>> Ever >>>>>> since, these two have been proceeding independently. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would suggest to change the article to clearly reflect that. >>>> Otherwise, >>>>>> we will not do Flink a favor, but confuse people. >>>>>> >>>>>> Greetings, >>>>>> Stephan >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Henry Saputra < >>>> henry.sapu...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Nice work indeed! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Henry >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:25 AM, Chiwan Park <chiwanp...@apache.org> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Great! Nice start. :) >>>>>>>> The logo is shown now. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Chiwan Park >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Maximilian Michels <m...@apache.org> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cool. Nice work, Matthias, and thanks for starting it off. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:45 PM, Matthias J. Sax < >>>>>>>>> mj...@informatik.hu-berlin.de> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi squirrels, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am happy to announce Flink on Wikipedia: >>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Flink >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Logo Request is still pending, but should be online soon. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -Matthias >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >
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