I think it is clear to most people that the only official and (hopefully) up-to-date description of an Apache project is its Apache website, and any paper can get outdated. Perhaps we can change the link to a more up-to-date paper when we have one.
I like the article, thanks Matthias! Kostas On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org> wrote: > Okay, I wrote a lot there > > tl:dr = Let's make sure people understand that the Stratosphere paper does > not describe Flink. > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Matthias J. Sax < > mj...@informatik.hu-berlin.de> wrote: > > > I can't follow. Stratosphere is only mentioned in the "History" part. Of > > course, we can strike out "Stratosphere II" and make clear that Flink is > > a fork on Stratosphere. But that is minor. > > > > And adding the Stratosphere papers as a reference, was the requirement > > to get the article accepted in the first place. Thus, it would not make > > sense to remove them. Currently, there are no other "reliable and > > notable" source (in term of Wikipedia guidelines) that can be used as > > references. > > > > Of course, the article is super short and needs to be extended. But the > > project is moving fast and only "stable" stuff should be on Wikipedia. > > It is hard enough to keep the project web page up to data. ;) Maybe, we > > can discuss what should be included and what not. > > > > > > -Matthias > > > > > > > > On 07/07/2015 04:17 PM, Stephan Ewen wrote: > > > Thanks, Matthias, for starting this. > > > > > > It looks a bit like the article talks more about the Stratosphere > project > > > than Flink right now. > > > I think we need to make a few things clear, to not confuse people: > > > > > > 1) Flink != Stratosphere. When looking at the Stratosphere Paper and > when > > > looking at Flink, you look at two completely different things. It is > not > > > just that a name changed. > > > > > > 2) It is not Stratosphere that became an Apache project. The project > that > > > became Apache Flink was forked from a subset of the Stratosphere > project > > > (core runtime only). That subset covered 1.5 out of the 5 areas of > > > Stratosphere. > > > > > > When Flink became an Apache project, the only features it contained > that > > > were developed as part of Stratosphere, were the iterations, and the > > > optimizer. Everything else had been re-developed. > > > > > > 3) Flink has nothing to do with Stratosphere II. Even though that > > research > > > project talks about streaming, they have a very different angle to > that. > > > > > > > > > I am writing this, because we are working heavy on making it easier for > > > people to grasp what Flink is, and what it is not. > > > A system with so many features and so much different technology is > bound > > to > > > be hard to grasp. > > > > > > The article gives people sources that seemingly describe what Flink is, > > but > > > have little to do with what it is. > > > > > > > > > The relationship between Flink and Stratosphere is actually the > > following: > > > Flink is based on some research outcomes of Stratosphere (I), and was > > > bootstrapped from a fork of the Stratosphere code base of late 2013. > Ever > > > since, these two have been proceeding independently. > > > > > > I would suggest to change the article to clearly reflect that. > Otherwise, > > > we will not do Flink a favor, but confuse people. > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Stephan > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Henry Saputra < > henry.sapu...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Nice work indeed! > > >> > > >> - Henry > > >> > > >> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:25 AM, Chiwan Park <chiwanp...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > >>> Great! Nice start. :) > > >>> The logo is shown now. > > >>> > > >>> Regards, > > >>> Chiwan Park > > >>> > > >>>> On Jul 7, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Maximilian Michels <m...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Cool. Nice work, Matthias, and thanks for starting it off. > > >>>> > > >>>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:45 PM, Matthias J. Sax < > > >>>> mj...@informatik.hu-berlin.de> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> Hi squirrels, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I am happy to announce Flink on Wikipedia: > > >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Flink > > >>>>> > > >>>>> The Logo Request is still pending, but should be online soon. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -Matthias > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > >
