It was just a suggestion. @Matthias: You wrote the article, you decide. If you want to keep it, that's fine!
On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Matthias J. Sax < mj...@informatik.hu-berlin.de> wrote: > I agree with Kostas and don't see much danger that people get confused. > Nevertheless, I will update the history section accordingly. > > > On 07/07/2015 04:48 PM, Kostas Tzoumas wrote: > > I think it is clear to most people that the only official and (hopefully) > > up-to-date description of an Apache project is its Apache website, and > any > > paper can get outdated. Perhaps we can change the link to a more > up-to-date > > paper when we have one. > > > > I like the article, thanks Matthias! > > > > Kostas > > > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org> wrote: > > > >> Okay, I wrote a lot there > >> > >> tl:dr = Let's make sure people understand that the Stratosphere paper > does > >> not describe Flink. > >> > >> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Matthias J. Sax < > >> mj...@informatik.hu-berlin.de> wrote: > >> > >>> I can't follow. Stratosphere is only mentioned in the "History" part. > Of > >>> course, we can strike out "Stratosphere II" and make clear that Flink > is > >>> a fork on Stratosphere. But that is minor. > >>> > >>> And adding the Stratosphere papers as a reference, was the requirement > >>> to get the article accepted in the first place. Thus, it would not make > >>> sense to remove them. Currently, there are no other "reliable and > >>> notable" source (in term of Wikipedia guidelines) that can be used as > >>> references. > >>> > >>> Of course, the article is super short and needs to be extended. But the > >>> project is moving fast and only "stable" stuff should be on Wikipedia. > >>> It is hard enough to keep the project web page up to data. ;) Maybe, we > >>> can discuss what should be included and what not. > >>> > >>> > >>> -Matthias > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 07/07/2015 04:17 PM, Stephan Ewen wrote: > >>>> Thanks, Matthias, for starting this. > >>>> > >>>> It looks a bit like the article talks more about the Stratosphere > >> project > >>>> than Flink right now. > >>>> I think we need to make a few things clear, to not confuse people: > >>>> > >>>> 1) Flink != Stratosphere. When looking at the Stratosphere Paper and > >> when > >>>> looking at Flink, you look at two completely different things. It is > >> not > >>>> just that a name changed. > >>>> > >>>> 2) It is not Stratosphere that became an Apache project. The project > >> that > >>>> became Apache Flink was forked from a subset of the Stratosphere > >> project > >>>> (core runtime only). That subset covered 1.5 out of the 5 areas of > >>>> Stratosphere. > >>>> > >>>> When Flink became an Apache project, the only features it contained > >> that > >>>> were developed as part of Stratosphere, were the iterations, and the > >>>> optimizer. Everything else had been re-developed. > >>>> > >>>> 3) Flink has nothing to do with Stratosphere II. Even though that > >>> research > >>>> project talks about streaming, they have a very different angle to > >> that. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I am writing this, because we are working heavy on making it easier > for > >>>> people to grasp what Flink is, and what it is not. > >>>> A system with so many features and so much different technology is > >> bound > >>> to > >>>> be hard to grasp. > >>>> > >>>> The article gives people sources that seemingly describe what Flink > is, > >>> but > >>>> have little to do with what it is. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> The relationship between Flink and Stratosphere is actually the > >>> following: > >>>> Flink is based on some research outcomes of Stratosphere (I), and was > >>>> bootstrapped from a fork of the Stratosphere code base of late 2013. > >> Ever > >>>> since, these two have been proceeding independently. > >>>> > >>>> I would suggest to change the article to clearly reflect that. > >> Otherwise, > >>>> we will not do Flink a favor, but confuse people. > >>>> > >>>> Greetings, > >>>> Stephan > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Henry Saputra < > >> henry.sapu...@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Nice work indeed! > >>>>> > >>>>> - Henry > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:25 AM, Chiwan Park <chiwanp...@apache.org> > >>> wrote: > >>>>>> Great! Nice start. :) > >>>>>> The logo is shown now. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>> Chiwan Park > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Maximilian Michels <m...@apache.org> > >>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Cool. Nice work, Matthias, and thanks for starting it off. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:45 PM, Matthias J. Sax < > >>>>>>> mj...@informatik.hu-berlin.de> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hi squirrels, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I am happy to announce Flink on Wikipedia: > >>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Flink > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The Logo Request is still pending, but should be online soon. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -Matthias > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > >
