Hi Justin,

I think we are using JIRA more these days, but IMO, it still isn't worth 
documenting every change in JIRA.  Apache projects are supposed to feel more 
like potlucks than corporate efforts, and I don't want some volunteer with only 
an few minutes of time to decide not to contribute a null check because they 
have to fill out a JIRA issue before committing a change.  so there is always a 
chance something will be missed in JIRA.  Searching the dev@ and commits@ lists 
and trying the nightly build should probably become a standard practice before 
reporting a bug.

Anybody can have a JIRA account, and yes, I encourage everyone to file bugs, 
but I know not everyone will.  Also realize that your list of other frameworks 
are all corporate controlled which is why you felt compelled to list the 
corporation's name with the framework's name.  The Apache model is different.  
At Apache, folks from all over the world can be committers and thus don't have 
to use JIRA in order to get something fixed, they can just do it.

In fact, I would rather your team propose fixes instead of trying to workaround 
bugs in Flex or FlexJS code.  Then they are more likely to earn committer 
rights and can just make a fix.  IMO, that will be way more efficient than 
having to file JIRA issues and wait for someone else to fix it.   If your team 
can think and act like they are part of our team, then I think we will make the 
most progress.  The dev@ list is our common area.  The other folks writing code 
for FlexJS often just ask on dev@ "Hey, I'm having a problem with this, is 
anybody else?"  I'll bet Pan asked that internally to the rest of your team, 
but if Pan asked that right away on dev@ then we would all have saved time.

It is a different way of thinking, but that's the cool thing about Apache.  You 
can have more direct involvement than you can with other corporate-driven 
projects.

-Alex

From: "Justin M. Hill" <jus...@prominic.net<mailto:jus...@prominic.net>>
Date: Friday, November 4, 2016 at 9:16 AM
To: Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com<mailto:aha...@adobe.com>>, 
"dev@flex.apache.org<mailto:dev@flex.apache.org>" 
<dev@flex.apache.org<mailto:dev@flex.apache.org>>
Cc: Pan Li <pa...@prominic.net<mailto:pa...@prominic.net>>, "Dhwani K. Shah" 
<dhw...@prominic.net<mailto:dhw...@prominic.net>>, Santanu Karar 
<sant...@prominic.net<mailto:sant...@prominic.net>>, "Kinjal J. Patel" 
<kin...@prominic.net<mailto:kin...@prominic.net>>, "Walker L. Dalton" 
<wal...@prominic.net<mailto:wal...@prominic.net>>, "Joel C. Anderson" 
<j...@prominic.net<mailto:j...@prominic.net>>
Subject: FlexJS -- we really need to get bugs into JIRA


Hi Alex,

Everyone here at Prominic would like to see JIRA being used more for Flex 
development to track issues.

We are very glad to hear that the nightly 0.8.0 build solved the issue Pan 
reported.

This has apparently happened before -- where we have spent > 1 day determining 
something was a bug, and then another couple of days to re-write code to work 
around the bug.   This time would have been better spent had we known the bug 
was already on a list and being worked out.

As a community, we are up against a wide variety of frameworks.   Known bugs 
should be in bug database. I am sure Google's AngularJS, Microsoft's Xamarin, 
Facebook's ReactJS or any other mature cross-platform UI SDK are tracking bugs, 
and FlexJS needs to be doing the same.

The overall Apache Flex JIRA appears to be here:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX/?selectedTab=com.atlassian.jira.jira-projects-plugin:summary-panel

and the FlexJS 0.8 specified project is here:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX/fixforversion/12338251/?selectedTab=com.atlassian.jira.jira-projects-plugin:version-issues-panel

Are we not looking in the right spot, or is the community just not properly 
documenting bugs?

Can Prominic staff get logins to JIRA to help report these?

Thank you,

Justin Hill
My Apache Flex community contribution is working on the open source 
Moonshine-IDE.com for FlexJS.



----- Forwarded by Justin M. Hill/A55555/PNI on 11/04/2016 12:05 AM -----

To: "dev@flex.apache.org<mailto:dev@flex.apache.org>" 
<dev@flex.apache.org<mailto:dev@flex.apache.org>>
Date: 11/03/2016 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: [FlexJS] Container.numElements is not working

________________________________



Thanks.  Please try the nightly 0.8.0 build.  It should be fixed already.

-Alex
>
>
>platform: Mac OS 10.4; FlexJS 0.7
>
>numElements of the UI element Container doesn't work, it can be reproduced
>by this code snippet:
>
><js:Container id="holder" width="100%" height="100%" >
>     <js:beads>
> <js:VerticalLayout/>
> </js:beads>
> <js:Label text="fooo"/>
>     <js:Label  text="wooo"/>
>     <js:Label id="debug" text="tooverride"/>
>     <js:TextButton text="GO"   click="debug.text = String
>(holder.numElements)" />
></js:Container>
>
>Run it in FlexJS0.7 in javascript or awf mode, it will show "1", but
>expected value is 4.
>
>Similar code in Flex works as expected:
>
> <mx:Panel id="holder" title="Panel" status="Active"
>   width="75%" height="75%">
> <s:Label text="fooo"/>
> <s:Label  text="wooo"/>
> <s:Label id="debug" text="tooverride"/>
> <s:Button label="GO"   click="debug.text = String
>(holder.numElements)" />
> </mx:Panel>
>
>I also noted the api list of FlexJS's Container is much shorter than
>Flex's
>Container, does this mean Container of FlexJS is not fully finished?
>
>
>Thanks
>Pan LI
>
>
>My Apache Flex community contribution is working on the open source
>Moonshine-IDE.com for FlexJS.

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