The flash player is actually a good thing as a simple distribution point for 
the VM. So it's just like downloading a browser or an app or anything else. The 
FUD has definitely already taken place via the attacks on Flash in general. A 
lot of those tech blogs have always been negative on Flash for years for 
whatever reason and Steve Jobs was sort of the king of it. The FUD was probably 
something he picked up from IBM all those years ago.

At any rate all of that is irrelevant. What would be helpful would be what 
makes sense to make good applications that run on lots of things well. Flash 
did that but was limited by reliance on the CPU and timeline based coding. Flex 
doesn't use the timeline unless you create separate animations and stage3d uses 
the GPU.

It seems to me that flex could be good in a new iteration if it leveraged a new 
AS4 for stage3d but I don't know how you could emulate a lot of the old code 
outside of redoing the whole thing or having some way to emulate as3 code in 
the new runtime.

What would be great is if you could knock all of things out and also add a 
native web view that's more integrated so you could do pretty much anything and 
everything. You could even dare I say run those new edge code animations in the 
runtime.

That would probably be a lot of work though and I'm not sure if Adobe is brave 
enough to do anything interesting.

David



-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Yang <flashflex...@gmail.com>
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Sent: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Forward]To Adobe Leaderships - A very bold and crazy proposal 
about AS4 and Swift

Opensource won't matter, because the core value is that end users trust
Adobe Flash Player, and they install it.


On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski <nicho...@spoon.as>
wrote:

> Andrei,
>
> There was a lengthy discussion at the 360|Flex conference a few weeks ago
> about Adobe open-sourcing the player.  It won't happen.
>
> The Flash Player is essentially the Red Tamerian project (open source)
> https://code.google.com/p/redtamarin/ with a whole slew of properiety,
> licensed codecs, tools and other addins.  Things like video playback, text
> rendering, etc. are all things that Adobe has licensed from others that
> would prevent them from open-sourcing the player itself.  They've already
> open-sourced the VM.
>
> -Nick
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Me.Com <and...@leapingbytes.net> wrote:
>
> > I hate people who write opinionated articles without bothering to learn
> > anything about the subject. Looks like Matt Baxter-Reynolds is one of
> them.
> > But then… I can not remember when I read anything really good at zdnet…
> so
> > it all fit together.
> >
> > Back to original idea - my only question is why bother?  Personally I
> > think the only thing we (flash developers) should be asking for - is for
> > Adobe to open source the player. As of now - player is the weakest link
> and
> > the one which is beyond the rich of open source community.
> >
> > Just my $0.02
> >
> > --
> > Me.Com
> > Sent with Airmail
> >
> > On June 3, 2014 at 16:19:07 , Erik de Bruin (e...@ixsoftware.nl) wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > > May I ask why you said "Technologically no"?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Because Swift sucks
> > > <
> > >
> >
> http://www.zdnet.com/apples-new-swift-development-language-highlights-the-companys-worst-side-7000030150/
> > > >
> >
> >
> > This is not a forum to aid in the spreading of FUD. All this guy has to
> say
> > about Swift is that it sucks because it doesn't allow you to develop
> > Android apps... If a tool sucks because it doesn't support each and every
> > fragmented mobile OS out there, it seems to me they all suck.
> >
> > EdB
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ix Multimedia Software
> >
> > Jan Luykenstraat 27
> > 3521 VB Utrecht
> >
> > T. 06-51952295
> > I. www.ixsoftware.nl
> >
>

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