Hi All,

Did the changes proposed in this thread ever happen to
https://github.com/apache/comdev-site/blob/master/source/newcommitter.md
? I can't find it in the file history, but there could be something
I'm missing.
I'm asking because we'd like to add a new committer to our project who
is already an ASF member, but all guides include a request to file an
ICLA.

Should I just skip the part requesting the ICLA from our invitation or
was there a reason I can't find the change in any of the guidelines?


Thank you,
Donat

On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 8:21 PM Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the feedback. I've updated the recommended message to the 
> prospective committer/PMC member. [1]
>
> If no further comments, I'll reformat as appropriate and submit a patch to
> https://github.com/apache/comdev-site/blob/master/source/newcommitter.md
>
> Thanks,
> Craig
>
> [1]
> ### Committer Invite Template
> This is the suggested invitation email to send to the newly elected committer,
> sent after a positive result from the PMC vote for a new committer.
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------
>     To: joeblo...@foo.net
>     Cc: private@[PROJECT].apache.org
>     Subject: Invitation to become [PROJECT] committer: Joe Bloggs
>
>     Hello [invitee name],
>
>     The [Project] Project Management Committee] (PMC)
>     hereby offers you committer privileges to the project
>     [as well as membership in the PMC]. These privileges are
>     offered on the understanding that you'll use them
>     reasonably and with common sense. We like to work on trust
>     rather than unnecessary constraints.
>
>     Being a committer enables you to more easily make
>     changes without needing to go through the patch
>     submission process.
>
> Being a PMC member carries more responsibility, outlined at
> https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#what-is-a-pmc 
> <https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#what-is-a-pmc>
> Briefly, PMC members are expected to actively participate in the governance 
> process of the project, including discussing and voting on releases, new 
> committers, and PMC candidates.
>
>     Being a committer does not require you to
>     participate any more than you already do. It does
>     tend to make one even more committed.  You will
>     probably find that you spend more time here.
>
>     Of course, you can decline and instead remain as a
>     contributor, participating as you do now.
>
>     A. This personal invitation is a chance for you to
>     accept or decline in private.  Either way, please
>     let us know in reply to this message.
>
>     B. If you accept, the next step is to get an Apache id:
> If you are already a committer on another project, reply-all to this message 
> and let us know your Apache id and we will set you up with commit privileges 
> [and put you on the PMC roster].
> If you have earlier submitted an ICLA, reply-all to this message and let us 
> know the Public Name and the email under which you submitted your ICLA. If 
> the email address you entered on the ICLA is no longer appropriate, submit a 
> new ICLA with the new email address and include the project name and 
> requested id on the form. See the next bullet for details.
> If you have not yet submitted an ICLA, reply-all to this message indicating 
> your acceptance and plans to submit your ICLA.
>
> To file your ICLA, forward this message to secret...@apache.org 
> <mailto:secret...@apache.org> and attach your ICLA document. Do not cc: the 
> project, as this unnecessarily exposes your Personally Identifiable 
> Information.
> This will allow the Secretary to verify that you have been invited to become 
> a committer. Be sure to put your requested Apache id and the project name on 
> the ICLA form. This will allow the Secretary to request your account and 
> notify the project directly. Within a few days you will receive instructions 
> for logging in and changing your password.
>
> Details of the iCLA and instructions for submitting the forms are found here: 
> https://www.apache.org/licenses/#clas
>  
> <https://www.apache.org/licenses/#clas>https://www.apache.org/licenses/contributor-agreements.html#submitting
>
>  <https://www.apache.org/licenses/contributor-agreements.html#submitting>
> C. When creation of your account is noted, you will receive a follow-up 
> message with next steps.
>
> We hope you accept and continue to make a difference in the project.
>
> On behalf of the [PROJECT] PMC,
> <inviter>
>
> > On Jul 20, 2021, at 4:29 AM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 at 03:08, Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I would like to suggest how we can improve the new committer onboarding  
> >> process by changing the standard committer invitation email. This is after 
> >> the new committer has been voted on and if PMC membership is offered, 
> >> after the board has been notified with 72 hour notice.
> >>
> >> This will eventually become a patch to
> >> https://github.com/apache/comdev-site/blob/master/source/newcommitter.md
> >>
> >> The big change is that the committer is asked to tell the PMC if they are 
> >> already a committer or if they have already submitted an ICLA. This should 
> >> reduce the back-n-forth among PMC-committer-secretary-root.
> >>
> >> Please let me know what you think. If this seems like a good idea, we can 
> >> ask PMCs to update their onboarding processes.
> >>
> >> Craig
> >>
> >> Craig L Russell
> >> c...@apache.org
> >>
>
> Craig L Russell
> c...@apache.org
>

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