Le lun. 28 févr. 2022 à 19:09, Rich Bowen <rbo...@rcbowen.com> a écrit : > > > > >> I still fail to understand the reason for looking for alternatives to > >> MLs for managing ASF projects... > > It's less a question of us looking for alternatives, and more a question > of observing the broader open source community and seeing that the > younger/newer participants in this space want something different, > expect something different, and are turned off by the current state of > things.
Talking with newcomers may be more effective on alternative channels, but if/when tools are introduced and their purpose explained, the usage of a ML is not going to be the most difficult ability to acquire for contributing to an ASF project. Will someone be granted commit access, and become PMC member without providing an email address? > > Honestly -- I don't think we have a choice. At least I don't that we have > > when it comes to users. Those will engage with us in whatever manner > > they seem to perceive as most natural and it seems that in 2022 email > > is definitely not the first thing that comes to the users' mind. > > > > So... the choice we have to make is to -- either meet our users where > > they seem to be looking for us (or at least half-way) OR agree that > > we will be forever cut off from quite a number of them. > > Yes, this is 100% it. I've long said that to reach our audience, you > have to go where they are, and engage with them there. "Just subscribe > to the mailing list", while an acceptable answer 10 years ago, is like > speaking a foreign language today. Not everyone interested in the development of FLOSS is willing (or having the time) to become a community manager in every new channel that pops up. > The process (email this cryptic address, wait for the cryptic response > that you get, and follow the instructions in it, and hope for the best, > then email this *other* address to talk to us) is just too involved, > unintuitive, and just seems intentionally byzantine, to the people we're > trying to engage with today. It makes sense to me, because I've been > doing it for almost 30 years. But we need to listen to our audience, > because they are no longer interested in jumping through arbitrary hoops > when they can just go ask on Reddit instead. Should we have to jump through (other) no less arbitrary hoops instead? Regards, Gilles --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
