On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 15:58, Pierre Smits <pierresm...@apache.org> wrote: > > I bow to Naomi for keeping reacting in this thread and not giving in to a > desire to step out of the discussion... > > I find it sad that there are (board) members who keep saying that the > situation must improve (because there are problems regarding Diversity and > Inclusion), but when it comes to where it needs to improve (in the projects > mostly) they also keep saying (here and other threads also in other fora in > the past) that there is nothing to be done from the Foundation downwards to > the projects because 'the projects are independent'. > > In my book there is where the view-points of those persons go of in wrong > directions. Yes, projects are expected to operate independently from > outside influence. But they can not operate independently from the > organisation they reside under. In a page (See [1]) of the ASF it is stated > that 'the board delegates the technical direction of all projects to each > PMC', but 'are expected to follow corporate policies'. This means that the > policies can be created at Foundation level, and can be policed (by the > Board, and/or through delegation by a specific office). If the highest body > of the Foundation established a strict(er) policy on 'merit awarding' > and/or 'Diversity & Inclusion' then it is obliged, with regards to these > policies, to: > > 1. ensure that each of the lower level organisational units (OUs like > projects/offices/departments, etc.) acknowledge and apply such policies > 2. regularly (and independently of the projects and offices) assess the > adherence to (or compliance with) the policies > 3. actively implement corrective measures when an OU fails to adhere to > or comply with such policy. > > > Mark suggested in a posting earlier that there is something called the D&I > team that could be tasked with gathering advice from domain experts, and > advise the President/Board on how to improve this situation. But it seems > (I have done some searching on ASF pages regarding this D&I team) the team > has not been established formally and thus no insights on its mission and > production can be established. Maybe that still needs to happen? Or is it > flying very low under the radar, or.... ?
Huh? Quoting Mark from earlier: >> We have a D&I >> team (diversity and inclusion) at work. I could approach them for some >> recommendations. Thoughts? i.e. there is a D&I team *at his work place* > Whatever it may be (visages the D&I team), here are some suggestions that > may lead to an improved situation: > > 1. Communicate (e.g. via the ASF's web site) clearly where contributors, > who feel they were wronged, can submit complaints; > 2. Treat complaints (and their submitters) seriously and discretely; > 3. Have a protocol published so that everybody can learn about what to > expect and when to expect it. > > > [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/governance/ > [2] http://community.apache.org/projectIndependence > > Best regards, > > Pierre Smits > > *Apache Trafodion <https://trafodion.apache.org>, Vice President* > *Apache Directory <https://directory.apache.org>, PMC Member* > Apache Incubator <https://incubator.apache.org>, committer > *Apache OFBiz <https://ofbiz.apache.org>, contributor (without having > privileges) since 2008* > Apache Steve <https://steve.apache.org>, committer > > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 3:53 PM Naomi Slater <n...@tumbolia.org> wrote: > > > On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 15:51, Rich Bowen <rbo...@rcbowen.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > I fail to see how this would affect the actual work that needs to get > > > done. I have long since stopped caring about *persuading* our skeptic > > > members about the need to do this work. They're not going to help > > > anyways, why bother? And we already have the full support of the > > > President and the Board on this, so they can't interfere in any > > > meaningful way. > > > > > > > fair point :) > > > > > > > *That* is why I think that this nitpicking is irrelevant. If other folks > > > wish to discuss whether it's 2% or 3%, sure, go ahead. It feels like > > > debating the brand of mop we should be using when we're 8 feet under > > water. > > > > > > > lmao! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
