On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 13:45, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On 28/03/2019 13:24, Eric Covener wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 8:59 AM Naomi Slater <n...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 13:14, Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> but in practice, this isn't true. and our committer demographics
> >>>> demonstrate this
> >>>
> >>> Then those PMCs have a f'ed up definition and measure of merit.
> >>>
> >>
> >> but this is true for all PMCs, and indeed our board. we have dismal
> >> representation for non men, non white people, etc, etc, across the whole
> >> organization. so you're saying that our whole organization has a f*ed up
> >> definition and measure of merit. which is precisely my point. and why I
> >> started this thread.
> >
> > For which projects do you have demographic data about unrecognized
> > contributions? This implies "all of them" which would be impressive.
>
> The 2016 committer survey indicated significant under-representation
> from just about any category you care to think of except "white men". I
> don't believe it drilled down to individual projects but while I am sure
> some projects are doing better than others I am also sure all projects
> could do better.

Did the survey look at contributor demographic?
I suspect that is also skewed.
Likewise those working in computing.

> The key question for me is what can we do to improve things?
>
> We know that more diverse communities produce better results. It is in
> our own interests to do better at this.
>
> How about this. Lets use some of the $ we have in the bank to get some
> good advice (and potentially ongoing support) from domain experts on
> what we could do to improve. (I suspect the hard part here will be
> finding the right domain experts.)

+1

> Mark
>
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