I use an acm.org forwarding address as my main e-mail address, and I do
write and send e-mail with it as the "From" address. I use my ISP's SMTP
server, but specify the e-mail address for the account as "p...@acm.org".
The "p...@apache.org" address works the same way, except I use it less
often.
On 1/31/2017 11:39 PM, ARIJIT DAS wrote:
that's right ...can anyone please tell me how to get @apache.org domain
email id? I also want to use apache email id for all activities related to
apache...I have @acm.org email id but it is only forwarding address can not
write and send mail from acm email.
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Matthew Sacks <matt...@matthewsacks.com>
wrote:
One day the swastika will be an ancient symbol as well.
Let's stick to software?
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:29 PM Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Arijit,
I agree that the symbol can have many meanings and that it is a modern
tragedy that symbols with good meanings have been used for evil.
I don't think it implies that any kind of heritage or culture has to be
lost here.
I would suggest that you consider people who see your emails without your
explanations. There is thus a significant likelihood of unfortunate
misunderstanding without your intent.
The situation would be the same if a greeting that includes a blessing in
one language is an insult in another, second, language. Is it
pragmatically
a good idea to continue to use the greeting if you are meeting with many
speakers of the second language? You could argue you mean no harm and you
can argue that the literal meaning of what you say in the language you
using is beneficent, but you cannot argue that many people will
misunderstand you and be offended. If that is not your intent, you have
failed to communicate well.
So it is with symbols that have different meanings in the culture (or
cultures) you are communicating with. People will misunderstand you. If
your intent is for them to understand you, then you will not succeed as
well as you might.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:13 PM, ARIJIT DAS <arijit.mcse...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Please note Swastika is an ancient symbol of Hindus in India...Hitler
used
it no way implies that the symbol is improper...If you go through our
Vedas
and other mythologies you will find it symbolizes the knowledge and
power...and still today danish air force also uses this symbol.India
has
one of the richest culture and heritage in the world.Many people has
used
manything of our culture and heritage in many ways for many purpose
some
are good some are bad.Why will we give up something which symbolizes
actually good in our culture? World leaders should learn the lesson
from
WW2 from Hiroshima Nagasaki from adverse effects of colonization from
exploitation of poor.Mere opposing a symbol will add any value to
mankind?
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 10:30 AM, P. Taylor Goetz <ptgo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
+1 for Ted's approach.
I'm young in terms of ASF years, but I've found it to be very
apolitical.
Recently it's actually been a refreshing departure from what seems
like
an
avalanche. It seems most people here seem to check their personal
beliefs
at the door.
My guess is that it is a case of innocence, but a follow up with
information about cultural sensitivities seems prudent.
-Taylor
On Jan 31, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Niclas Hedhman <nic...@hedhman.org>
wrote:
As Ted pointed out, it is an ancient symbol found in most Far East
mythology and the Hindu religion. "Out here" you will find it quite
often,
on shops, temples and business cards. It doesn't "carry weight"
unless
it
comes in black on white, with the Nazi proportions of widths. The
Nazi
one
was also at an angle.
We all know that in this instance, there is no malignant intent,
and
should
not require any action.
And we have not had any case of "red and black" and "something
needs
to
be
said" as far as I know.
But the 'solution' is relatively simple; ASF is a non-political
organization, and expression of political views (such as showing
political
allegiance, berating political figures, commenting on political
activity,
and so on) is not acceptable, regardless if that is a hate
organization
like the Nazis or more moderate political statements that many may
agree
with, say recent elections in the world or outbreaks of war. We
should
not
be involved, I think we are even obliged by Law to not be involved.
Cheers
Niclas
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:58 AM, Andrew Palumbo <
ap....@outlook.com>
wrote:
I am pretty new around here and don't know if this is a more
private
room
for ASF members .. but my .02: of it is in red and black, then
something
needs to be said.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com>
Date: 01/31/2017 3:50 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: Profile photos and ASF values
Yeah... I twitched when I saw that.
My suspicion is that this is being used in the ancient, pre-nazi
sense.
It is hard to believe that somebody is ignorant of the impact it
must
have
on some readers.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:47 PM, Christopher <
ctubb...@apache.org>
wrote:
Hi all,
It is surprising to me that a certain individual participant in
ASF
forums
seems to be using a swastika as their Google profile photo. The
impact
of
this is that ASF users which use GMail to interact with the
mailing
lists,
are presented with this swastika whenever reading or interacting
with
ASF
forums using GMail.
To be clear, this symbol can have alternate meanings, and it may
not
be
intentionally being used as Nazi symbol. Additionally, even if
this
individual holds to certain ideologies which may be antithetical
to
ASF
community inclusive values, they may act entirely professional
and
in
accordance with ASF code of conduct on Apache forums. So, I don't
want
to
imply that the profile photo is indicative of their ASF
interactions...
it
may be an entirely separate thing.
My main inquiry here is to question whether or not there is a
concern,
because the use of such profile photos may actually have
consequences
of
deterring potential new committers, because Apache may be
indicted
by
association.
Is there something we wish to do about this? Is it a non-issue? I
really
don't know. All I know, is my gut tells me that I'm bothered
when I
see
it
(I use GMail). But, I don't want to overreact, or start a witch
hunt.
I'm
genuinely curious if this is something we want to address at all.
If the profile photo is used on ASF infrastructure (JIRA,
affiliated
as a
member of the Apache org on GitHub, etc.), then I think we
probably
do
want
to address it in the Code of Conduct. However, unrelated services
like
Google profile photos... that may not be something we want to
address,
because the web mail client users use is not related to ASF
services
(even
if it were know for user that it impacted ASF community by
deterring
potential new community members).
In any case, I don't raise this issue to demean the individual
whose
profile photo came to my attention... this is not an attack on
them.
Again,
this is not a witch hunt.
--
Christopher
--
Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
http://polygene.apache.org <http://zest.apache.org> - New Energy
for
Java
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