+1 On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 1:36 PM Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On 01/31/2017 04:14 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > > > As Ted pointed out, it is an ancient symbol found in most Far East > > > mythology and the Hindu religion. "Out here" you will find it quite > often, > > > on shops, temples and business cards. It doesn't "carry weight" unless it > > > comes in black on white, with the Nazi proportions of widths. The Nazi > one > > > was also at an angle. > > > > > > We all know that in this instance, there is no malignant intent, and > should > > > not require any action. > > > > > > And we have not had any case of "red and black" and "something needs to > be > > > said" as far as I know. > > > > > > But the 'solution' is relatively simple; ASF is a non-political > > > organization, and expression of political views (such as showing > political > > > allegiance, berating political figures, commenting on political activity, > > > and so on) is not acceptable, regardless if that is a hate organization > > > like the Nazis or more moderate political statements that many may agree > > > with, say recent elections in the world or outbreaks of war. We should > not > > > be involved, I think we are even obliged by Law to not be involved. > > > > > > Cheers > > > Niclas > > > > Not only is "expression of political views" not a good idea, it might > > also jeopardize the 501c3 status of the ASF. See: > > > > www.webserves.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/501c3.pdf > > > > ...maybe even if the swastika is not used on any ASF pages. > > > > So, yes, there is a concern. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:58 AM, Andrew Palumbo <ap....@outlook.com> > wrote: > > > > > >> I am pretty new around here and don't know if this is a more private > room > > >> for ASF members .. but my .02: of it is in red and black, then > something > > >> needs to be said. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone > > >> > > >> > > >> -------- Original message -------- > > >> From: Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com> > > >> Date: 01/31/2017 3:50 PM (GMT-08:00) > > >> To: dev@community.apache.org > > >> Subject: Re: Profile photos and ASF values > > >> > > >> Yeah... I twitched when I saw that. > > >> > > >> My suspicion is that this is being used in the ancient, pre-nazi sense. > > >> > > >> It is hard to believe that somebody is ignorant of the impact it must > have > > >> on some readers. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:47 PM, Christopher <ctubb...@apache.org> > wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hi all, > > >>> > > >>> It is surprising to me that a certain individual participant in ASF > > >> forums > > >>> seems to be using a swastika as their Google profile photo. The impact > of > > >>> this is that ASF users which use GMail to interact with the mailing > > >> lists, > > >>> are presented with this swastika whenever reading or interacting with > ASF > > >>> forums using GMail. > > >>> > > >>> To be clear, this symbol can have alternate meanings, and it may not be > > >>> intentionally being used as Nazi symbol. Additionally, even if this > > >>> individual holds to certain ideologies which may be antithetical to ASF > > >>> community inclusive values, they may act entirely professional and in > > >>> accordance with ASF code of conduct on Apache forums. So, I don't want > to > > >>> imply that the profile photo is indicative of their ASF interactions... > > >> it > > >>> may be an entirely separate thing. > > >>> > > >>> My main inquiry here is to question whether or not there is a concern, > > >>> because the use of such profile photos may actually have consequences > of > > >>> deterring potential new committers, because Apache may be indicted by > > >>> association. > > >>> > > >>> Is there something we wish to do about this? Is it a non-issue? I > really > > >>> don't know. All I know, is my gut tells me that I'm bothered when I see > > >> it > > >>> (I use GMail). But, I don't want to overreact, or start a witch hunt. > I'm > > >>> genuinely curious if this is something we want to address at all. > > >>> > > >>> If the profile photo is used on ASF infrastructure (JIRA, affiliated > as a > > >>> member of the Apache org on GitHub, etc.), then I think we probably do > > >> want > > >>> to address it in the Code of Conduct. However, unrelated services like > > >>> Google profile photos... that may not be something we want to address, > > >>> because the web mail client users use is not related to ASF services > > >> (even > > >>> if it were know for user that it impacted ASF community by deterring > > >>> potential new community members). > > >>> > > >>> In any case, I don't raise this issue to demean the individual whose > > >>> profile photo came to my attention... this is not an attack on them. > > >> Again, > > >>> this is not a witch hunt. > > >>> -- > > >>> Christopher > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------ > > MzK > > > > "Trust, but verify." > > -- Ronald Reagan > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > >
