BTW, I just updated the code at [1] to use org.apacheextras and also updated the description of the project to make it clear that it's not Apache releases nor is it Apache code.
Cheers, Chris [1] http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/oodt-pushpull-plugins/ On Dec 29, 2011, at 10:30 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Hey Guys, > > I was talking with Greg, and I think I'm OK with org.apacheextras as > the namespace. > > It sounds like Noirin thought that was cool and so did Mark S. > Are folks here on ComDev cool with that namespace for our Extras > projects? If so, I'll update my COMDEV-65 patch with docs stating that > and document it and move forward. > > I'm also of the mindset that the PMC should be the ones saying > if they are OK with my oodt-pushpull-plugins Extras name and > to me it should be fine if the PMC is OK with that. I can update > the FAQ/guidelines to state that. > > Sound good? > > Cheers, > Chris > > On Dec 29, 2011, at 9:32 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > >> Hi Nóirín, >> >> On Dec 29, 2011, at 9:21 PM, Nóirín Plunkett wrote: >> >>>> >>>> Mark Struberg had another concrete suggestion: kudos to him for proposing >>>> using >>>> org.apachextras.oodt (implied). I could live with that, but don't believe >>>> I (or anyone else) >>>> should have to. >>>> >>> >>> I strongly prefer Mark's suggestion, and I'd like to hear more about >>> why you think you shouldn't have to "live with it". >> >> Because I suggested 2 other concrete alternatives as well and I prefer >> those. I also created an issue [1] and attached a patch there that >> implements my suggested update to the FAQ/Guidelines. >> >>> >>> You question what we are doing "if our own PMCs can't start up a >>> project on Apache Extras and use org.apache.* as a namespace", and I >>> agree that we may not be clear on exactly what the advantage of Apache >>> Extras is over Google Code, GitHub, or wherever else. >> >> +1, precisely. >> >>> >>> But our own PMCs can't start up a project on Apache Extras (or >>> anywhere else) and call it an official Apache release either, and to >>> me, that's the line that decides (socially) what can or can't use the >>> org.apache.* namespace. (And, afaict, this *is* a social/policy >>> question, not a legal or technical one.) >> >> I've not once proposed to call the code for OODT CAS PushPull on Apache >> Extras >> an Apache release. In fact, pretty much the whole time, I've stated >> that it's _not_ an Apache release and that it's _not_ official Apache code. >> I'm not >> debating that. >> >> That doesn't however, mean that it's not strongly related to the >> org.apache.oodt >> namespace, and doesn't in my mind mean that we shouldn't be able to use it >> in a project on extras. Christian G. really summed up my point. There are >> many forks of Apache code, our real projects out there in people's Github >> accounts -- are we really policing them for using the namespace? I'm not >> proposing >> anything nefarious here. I'm proposing to leverage Extras for what I thought >> was >> the strong closeness with Apache code by declaring that closeness with >> the namespace. >> >> I've created an issue [1] and attached a patch to that issue with a >> documentation >> update that I feel implements my concrete suggestion #2. >> >> Cheers, >> Chris >> >> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMDEV-65 >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >> Senior Computer Scientist >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 >> Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > Senior Computer Scientist > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
