On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 at 00:48, Gilles Sadowski <[email protected]> wrote: > > Le mar. 21 oct. 2025 à 23:59, sebb <[email protected]> a écrit : > > > > On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 at 18:09, Gilles Sadowski <[email protected]> wrote: > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > The Project logotype must use the word "Apache", not "The ASF" > > > > > > This is not true. Quoting Mark Thomas (VP "Trademarks"): > > > ---CUT--- > > > My very strong recommendation is that if a project wants to include the > > > project name in their logo then they either use > > > "<Project>" > > > or > > > "Apache <Project>" > > > and do not use > > > "ASF <Project>" > > > ---CUT--- > > > > > > As argued on JIRA, I strongly favour "Commons" > > > > However Mark also said[1]: > > > > ---CUT--- > > There are a small number of projects where registering the bare name > > would be challenging (Commons is one of them). > > Using the name full name "Apache Commons" allows the Commons project > > to gain the protection afforded by our registrations of the Apache > > mark. > > ---CUT--- > > Neither the ASF nor anyone else should feel entitled to claim ownership > of the word "commons". > > > If we drop the Apache prefix then this protection will not be available. > > Are you (and Mark) saying that the "Apache Commons" _project_ will be at > risk if our _logo_ does not contain the word "Apache"? > Which "protection" are you talking about? What is the "risk" of "commons" > being used in other contexts? Why would you even think of preventing that? > Of course, there is a restriction to other entities using "Apache Commons" > because this is the registered trademark of this project; my understanding is > that it holds whatever the logo may be. > > I want to be consistent with the rationale that led to the (ASF) logo change. > > Limiting the use of "Apache" to the strict minimum is the right thing to do. > > A logo does not need to contain "Apache" any more than it needs to contain > "Commons". For that matter, a really original graphical logo would likely be > much easier to protect than a wordmark that is an English word.
These are questions for Mark. > Gilles > > > > > Sebb > > [1] > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMMONSSITE-179?focusedCommentId=18031079&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#comment-18031079 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
