On 12/16/14 6:21 PM, sebb wrote:
> On 17 December 2014 at 00:01, Phil Steitz <phil.ste...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 12/16/14 1:51 PM, sebb wrote:
>>> On 16 December 2014 at 08:58, luc <l...@spaceroots.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi Phil,
>>>>
>>>> Le 2014-12-16 00:49, pste...@apache.org a écrit :
>>>>> Repository: commons-math
>>>>> Updated Branches:
>>>>>   refs/heads/master 809f0f89c -> 540aa2e7e
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Added Bessel functions of the first kind, based on NetLib implementation.
>>>>>
>>>>> JIRA: MATH-1066
>>>>> Based on patch provided by Brian Wignall
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Project: http://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/commons-math/repo
>>>>> Commit:
>>>>> http://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/commons-math/commit/f80f5777
>>>>> Tree: http://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/commons-math/tree/f80f5777
>>>>> Diff: http://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/commons-math/diff/f80f5777
>>>>>
>>>>> Branch: refs/heads/master
>>>>> Commit: f80f577748c0dbde45d24654247a82a7121d456c
>>>>> Parents: 59fe593
>>>>> Author: Phil Steitz <phil.ste...@gmail.com>
>>>>> Authored: Mon Dec 15 13:48:07 2014 -0700
>>>>> Committer: Phil Steitz <phil.ste...@gmail.com>
>>>>> Committed: Mon Dec 15 13:48:07 2014 -0700
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>  findbugs-exclude-filter.xml                     |   7 +
>>>>>  src/changes/changes.xml                         |   3 +
>>>>>  .../apache/commons/math3/special/BesselJ.java   | 649 ++++++++++++++++
>>>>>  .../commons/math3/special/BesselJTest.java      | 777 +++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>  4 files changed, 1436 insertions(+)
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> I think the NOTICE and LICENSE file should also be updated to add the
>>>> necessary Netlib references.
>>>> This is the standard place were people can look. Currently, the credits are
>>>> only in the BesselJ.java file,
>>>> whic seems insufficient to me. As an example for Mersenne twister I put the
>>>> credits both in the
>>>> java source for developers and in the NOTICE and LICENSE file for global
>>>> references and end users.
>>> The NOTICE file is ONLY for REQUIRED attributions.
>>> It is vital that unnecessary content is excluded.
>> Why, exactly?  It is a judgement call whether or not to attribute
>> netlib here.  What exactly is the harm in adding the attribution in
>> NOTICE.txt?  I see the policy-by-editing-the-website stuff in the
>> link below, but personally see it as up to the RM to decide.  Saying
>> in bold, "don't add anything not legally required" makes us all have
>> to be lawyers, which we are not.  As a "downstream user" I like to
>> know about the third party code used to create what we are
>> distributing.
> AIUI the NOTICE file must be passed on to all downstream users, so it
> places an unnecessary burden on them.
>
> Remember that the LICENSE file contains - or points to - all the
> licenses, so end users have all the license info they need.
> The NOTICE file is for required attributions only.
>
> I'm sure there are e-mails from Roy about and other ASF founders about
> this, but I think the link I quoted is very clear.
>
> If you want to challenge that page or ask for clarifications, please
> ask on the legal-discuss list.

Ironically, it is there that we were directed to add quite a bit of
the other stuff in those files now.

I will leave it to Luc, as RM, to decide whether or not to remove
the netlib attributions.

Phil
>
>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/licensing-howto.html#mod-notice
>>>
>>> The LICENSE file must contain ALL relevant licences - or pointers to
>>> local files containing the license.
>>>
>>>> best regards,
>>>> Luc
>>>>
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