On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Phil Steitz <phil.ste...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 3/12/11 10:41 AM, Mark Thomas wrote: >> On 12/03/2011 15:52, Phil Steitz wrote: >>> On 3/12/11 8:45 AM, sebb wrote: >>>> On 12 March 2011 04:20, Phil Steitz <phil.ste...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> I thought we had agreed that we are not going to do this, i.e., >>>>> maintain that commons-foo is *not* an ASF trademark. Otherwise, we >>>>> need to be prepared to defend all of these "trademarks" which makes >>>>> no sense to me personally. >>>> I thought you just meant that we should not claim "Commons" as a >>>> trademark, rather than not claiming any "Commons YYY" names as marks. >>>> >>>> However whatever happens re Commons, we still need to claim trademark >>>> on Apache at the bottom of our pages (so most of the work was needed >>>> anyway). >>>> >>>> I don't really mind what is decided, so long as it is agreed with >>>> @Trademarks. >>> OK. I just asked on board@. They may toss it over to trademarks, >>> but I personally see this as first a Commons decision, which the >>> Board could require us to change. >>> >>> Please anyone else chime in with different opinions. I want to make >>> sure I am not misrepresenting our views. >> I think we would have difficulty claiming "Commons" as a trademark.
I don't care about the difficulty. I do think we want the software world to use the word, similar to Incubator, Labs, "Software Foundation" and Attic; and restricting it is not in our interest. Whether that means claim-and-broadly-license or not-claim, I would leave to trademarks@/legal counsel. I realize that I earlier said 'claiming Commons bad' as well; I was jumping to a solution instead of letting Shane et al deal with our requirement which is de-facto standard. >> I think we should be claiming/protecting: >> - Apache Commons >> - Apache Commons Foo >> - Commons Foo > Why, exactly? The foundation's trademark direction has been to claim everything it can. > And why do we think we *can* claim, for example, "Commons Email?" Seems to me that it's claimable. We are currently using the phrase, as a compound mark it isn't a common word (imo) even if it is made up of two common words and it's in accordance with foundation strategy. Hen --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
