> So if you tag the RC as DBUTILS_1_2_RC1 then the 
> source code includes "RC1".  If you then later copy that tag to "DBUTILS_1_2" 
> the source code will still say "RC1".

Sorry Dan, there are a lot things missing in mavens release process, but this 
very thing is imho not a problem with maven but with the weirdness of SVN 
handling tags. If you make a svn:copy, then you _will_ create_a_new_tag_! So 
pom.xml still contains exactly that what has been released, and not only 
pom.xml, but _ALL_ release artifacts e.g. the sources.tar.gz, etc. Renaming 
tags, moving tags etc is essentially a no-no if you don't perform a build from 
that exact location afterwards. SVN guaranties atomic operations - at least 
_almost_ always. And I've seen a lot of weirdness in my last 20 years of using 
SCMs where this 'almost' did matter a lot ;) If you have to make sure 100%, 
then you have to build from the exact location.

What's wrong with the maven-staging? You tag as if you do a release (with exact 
that tag in SVN and pom.xml) but the results will not be deployed to the final 
repo but only to a staging repo. Maybe I only missed that part of the 
discussion, sorry for the noise then.

LieGrue,
strub


----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
> Von: Dan Fabulich <d...@fabulich.com>
> An: Commons Developers List <dev@commons.apache.org>
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 13. Mai 2009, 20:47:34 Uhr
> Betreff: Re: [releasing] SVN Tag creeated by maven
> 
> sebb wrote:
> 
> > However, if the directory names within the archives contain the -RC2
> > suffix, then that is a different matter. Maybe a Maven expert can give
> > advice here on how to work with immutable tags?
> 
> I consider myself reasonably expert with Maven, and my opinion is that 
> Maven's 
> release process is entirely wrong and does not embody a best practice.  :-(
> 
> The problem here is that the source code (the pom.xml file) contains the path 
> to 
> the source code in subversion.  So if you tag the RC as DBUTILS_1_2_RC1 then 
> the 
> source code includes "RC1".  If you then later copy that tag to "DBUTILS_1_2" 
> the source code will still say "RC1".
> 
> Since you can't modify the source code after the vote, your best bet is to 
> create the RC with the final location for the tag and delete/re-tag for each 
> RC. 
> :-(
> 
> IMO, it's entirely wrong for the pom.xml source code to describe the location 
> of 
> the source code.  The reason Maven wants this information there is so when it 
> goes to deploy (either for snapshots or releases) the deployed .pom file in 
> the 
> Maven repository will contain a link to the source code.
> 
> That feature should be implemented by inserting the source link in the 
> deployed 
> .pom file at deploy time.  (It should be auto-detected, or read from some 
> non-checked-in location or manually specified at that time.)
> 
> At a more philosophical level, the only reason Maven *has* a release plugin 
> is 
> because its release philosophy is wrong: the Maven philosophy is to make 
> changes 
> to the source code at release time, which is fundamentally a bad idea which I 
> hope we can fix some day.
> 
> -Dan
> 
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