Siegfried Goeschl wrote:

Because using commons-logging is not undisputed and log4j/jdk logging would reduce the number of dependencies for a user

I agree. Lots of debate have already occured on this subject, and no consensus reached. This simply shows this is a matter of taste, and probably even passion. So there is no point in pushing one choice among the users. I do have a favorite library too, but will neither say what it is nor try to provide any argument for it.

Removing a dependency is always a good thing for a library that is intended to be a building bloc for some higher level application.

Torsten Curd wrote:

> And I would argue that a library should be so robust that (at
> least preferably) it does not need any logging at all ...or if there
> is a problem you just debug it.

I also agree. Commons are quite low level components, they should be as lighweight as possible. They should neither impose some framework to work nor make any assumption on how they will be used. They should be robust and simple enough to not need logging *inside* themselves.

Luc


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