On 11/30/2015 10:14 PM, John Burwell wrote: > Sebastian, > > As I mentioned in my initial message, the public ShapeBlue repositories [1] > are noredist builds of release baselines with no additional patches or > changes. My understanding is that the project cannot officially distribute > the noredist plugins due to inability of the community to distribute > libraries required by these components. If my understanding is correct, I > don’t think a community managed package repos could contain packages with > this components. >
I agree. I don't think that the community build packages should have noredist enabled. What any other repos do is not our 'problem'. > I am +1 to the categories. I am +1 to the making packages official project > deliverables that are voted out. Users clear prefer to install via packages. > It seems like applying the full attention of the community to test them > would certainly a good thing for users. > Shall we ask for packages.cloudstack.org then? Wido > Thanks, > -John > > [1]: http://packages.shapeblue.com/cloudstack/upstream > > — > John Burwell > VP Software Engineering > > > USA: (571) 403-2411 | UK: +44 20 3603 0542 > john.burw...@shapeblue.com | www.shapeblue.com | Twitter: @ShapeBlue > ShapeBlue Ltd, 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London, WC2N 4HS > >> On Nov 30, 2015, at 11:44 AM, sebgoa <run...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> On Nov 30, 2015, at 11:28 AM, Paul Angus <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote: >> >>> Sebastien, >>> >>> Can you confirm that users can expect to find the noredist build of the >>> rpms and debs at apt-get.eu ? >>> >> >> I don't know >> >> What I understood from Rohit, is that the "shapeblue" repo also contains >> pkgs that are hot-fixed and have features back ported. >> In that sense it is quite a different repo than apt-get which only has pkg >> for each release. >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> Paul Angus >>> VP Technology , ShapeBlue Ltd >>> s: 02036170528 | t: @cloudyangus | m: +44 >>> 7711418784 >>> e: paul.an...@shapeblue.com | w: www.shapeblue.com >>> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N 4HS. UK >>> >>> Shape Blue Ltd is a company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue >>> Services India LLP is a company incorporated in India and is operated under >>> license from Shape Blue Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a >>> company incorporated in Brasil and is operated under license from Shape >>> Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company registered by The Republic of >>> South Africa and is traded under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is >>> a registered trademark. >>> This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended >>> solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or >>> opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily >>> represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the >>> intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based >>> upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender >>> if you believe you have received this email in error. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: 30 November 2015 10:24 >>> To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org> >>> Subject: Re: Package Repositories >>> >>> +1 all the way, sebastien >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Nux! <n...@li.nux.ro> wrote: >>> >>>> +1 your categories. >>>> >>>> Also +1 for the unified thing under cloudstack.apache.org domain. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! >>>> >>>> Nux! >>>> www.nux.ro >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "sebgoa" <run...@gmail.com> >>>>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >>>>> Sent: Monday, 30 November, 2015 10:08:59 >>>>> Subject: Re: Package Repositories >>>> >>>>> Hi folks, we need to resolve this. >>>>> >>>>> 1-But I have to start with one comment: >>>>> Apache open office releases binaries, users don't compile from source. >>>> So it is >>>>> possible within ASF to officially release binaries. >>>>> >>>>> 2-We have several initiatives around repos, apt-get.eu (Wido), >>>> shapeblue repos, >>>>> Nux mirrors and image templates. >>>>> Seems everyone agrees we need a tag team to coordinate all of it and >>>> offer a >>>>> unified front. >>>>> >>>>> 3-This unified front is great, but it won't happen this week, it >>>>> will >>>> take time >>>>> and dedication. >>>>> >>>>> 4-The small issue we are facing is about 3 lines in an HTML file on >>>>> our >>>> website. >>>>> Pierre-Luc and I had a chat Friday, in one of his comments on the PR >>>>> he suggested that we list 3 categories: >>>>> >>>>> - source >>>>> - community repo >>>>> - 3-rd party repo >>>>> >>>>> I am +1 with this, why ? >>>>> >>>>> -source is a no brainer >>>>> - community repo (apt-get) because that's our defacto pkg repo even >>>> though we >>>>> don't vote on packages. There was not vote to say these were our >>>> community repo >>>>> but that's a fact. Several people have access to the machine and can >>>>> make updates etc... >>>>> - 3rd party, allows us to list vendor pkg repo. The more vendors >>>>> provide CloudStack the better. I see it a bit like the "books" >>>>> discussions we had couple years ago. We do not endorse them, but we >>>>> should promote them. >>>>> >>>>> In our docs however, we should not be referencing 3rd party repos, >>>>> and >>>> any URLs >>>>> should be cloudstack project specific. >>>>> >>>>> Can you please reply with your vote on these 3 categories. I think >>>>> it's a compromise that helps us move forward. >>>>> >>>>> -sebastien >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 27, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Daan Hoogland >>>>> <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Paul Angus >>>>>> <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Doesn't that meant that we'll have to vote on the source and the >>>> packaged >>>>>>> rpms/debs otherwise they we have no official community standing. ? >>>>>>> >>>>>> I am not sure how we can give them official standing yet but we >>>>>> are the apache foundation, so we vote on source. I would say we >>>>>> vote on the packaging software from a different repo then the >>>>>> core+plugins and automatically update a repo from that one. The >>>>>> repo will not be endorsed but the way it is filled will be. >>>>>> >>>>>> my €0,02 of future dreams >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com] >>>>>>> Sent: 27 November 2015 09:36 >>>>>>> To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Package Repositories >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Paul Angus >>>>>>> <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So. My understanding is that to make the packages in the repo >>>> 'official' >>>>>>>> they must be voted on. -- would we make the packages what we >>>>>>>> vote on, rather that the source code (bearing in mind you can't >>>>>>>> separate the >>>>>>>> packaging in that case). IMHO, it'll make testing a whole lot >>>> simpler >>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> folks if there is just no requirement to build from source. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We will not stop voting on the source! Any vote on -, or >>>>>>> otherwise handling of packages is a separate thing. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Daan >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Daan >>> Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services >>> >>> IaaS Cloud Design & >>> Build<http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//> >>> CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/> >>> CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/> >>> CloudStack Software >>> Engineering<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/> >>> CloudStack Infrastructure >>> Support<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/> >>> CloudStack Bootcamp Training >>> Courses<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/> >>> >>> This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended >>> solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. 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ShapeBlue is a registered trademark. >>> Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services >>> >>> IaaS Cloud Design & Build >>> CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework >>> CloudStack Consulting >>> CloudStack Software Engineering >>> CloudStack Infrastructure Support >>> CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses >>> >>> This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended >>> solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or >>> opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily >>> represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the >>> intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based >>> upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender >>> if you believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a >>> company incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a >>> company incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue >>> Ltd. Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil >>> and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is >>> a company registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under >>> license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark. > > Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services > > IaaS Cloud Design & Build<http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//> > CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/> > CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/> > CloudStack Software > Engineering<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/> > CloudStack Infrastructure > Support<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/> > CloudStack Bootcamp Training > Courses<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/> > > This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended > solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or > opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of Shape Blue Ltd or related companies. If you are not the > intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon > its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone. Please contact the sender if you > believe you have received this email in error. Shape Blue Ltd is a company > incorporated in England & Wales. ShapeBlue Services India LLP is a company > incorporated in India and is operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. > Shape Blue Brasil Consultoria Ltda is a company incorporated in Brasil and is > operated under license from Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue SA Pty Ltd is a company > registered by The Republic of South Africa and is traded under license from > Shape Blue Ltd. ShapeBlue is a registered trademark. >
