Marcus, Okay, well I'll give a fully articulated argument for this eventually. Regardless, no reason to discourage a hackathon on the topic. Might as well talk and hack on it a bit and then we will know if it's a terrible idea.
Darren > On Oct 17, 2013, at 8:39 AM, Marcus Sorensen <shadow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I won't be this time. > > On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Darren Shepherd > <darren.s.sheph...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Marcus, >> >> Will you be at CCC? I think it's immensely important and can give plenty of >> good reasons, but too lazy to type at the moment. And I need to do a bit >> more analysis on the scope. >> >> Darren >> >>> On Oct 17, 2013, at 8:19 AM, Marcus Sorensen <shadow...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I'm not at all against it, I just haven't heard anyone give any reason >>> as to why. Keep in mind that we'd essentially be asking anyone who >>> has written code for the agent to re-do their work (midonet, vxlan, >>> storage plugins). My impression is that people just like the 'feel' >>> of it being in Python, and for good reason, but that ignores the fact >>> that 1) we've already done the work, and 2) features still require >>> java knowledge since the agent doesn't do anything the mgmt server >>> doesn't ask for. Without anyone explaining why, it just sort of feels >>> like rearranging deck chairs on a boat with serious leaks going on >>> below deck. Worse, people brought their own chairs, and we threw them >>> overboard because they're now the wrong color. >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 6:54 PM, Darren Shepherd >>> <darren.s.sheph...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> +1 for kvm in python. I'd like to take it a step further. I'd like to >>>> create a framework for adding compute and storage with python drivers. The >>>> first implementation should just happen to be libvirt/kvm. So yeah, I'll >>>> be interested in this. I'll be landing around 10am so don't know what >>>> time I'll get to the hackathon. >>>> >>>> Darren >>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 14, 2013, at 9:29 AM, Marcus Sorensen <shadow...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <run...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 11, 2013, at 4:43 AM, Hugo Trippaers <trip...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey Guys, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The CloudStack collaboration conference is right around the corner. The >>>>>>> first day of the conference will be dedicated to workshops and a >>>>>>> hackathon. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm curious which developers are planning to attend the hackthon and >>>>>>> what subjects you are interested in. In Santa Clara we had a short list >>>>>>> of some subjects to discuss and some tables and discussions were >>>>>>> already prepared in advance. In the upcoming conference we can do the >>>>>>> same, so if you have a discussion or project idea that you want to work >>>>>>> on at the hackthon let us know with a reply in this thread. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm also curious if there are any aspiring developers that would like >>>>>>> to have a sort of introduction into cloudstack development during the >>>>>>> hackathon. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you have any other ideas, just shout. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hugo >>>>>> >>>>>> I am adding couple topics that I would like to see: >>>>>> >>>>>> -API interfaces (AWS refactor, GCE, OCCI&CIMI standard): Discuss the >>>>>> state of our interfaces, plans for future, needs etc. AWS interface >>>>>> might need a refactor, GCE is a new interface, OCCI is a standard and >>>>>> Isaac Chiang has developed an interface. We are missing a CIMI interface. >>>>>> >>>>>> -DOCs: We are having lots of talks about docs, they have been split in a >>>>>> separate repo, we need to discuss format, release life cycle, format etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> -KVM agent: There has been discussions/wishes to re-write the KVM agent >>>>>> in something else than Java. Review architecture, define a plan, find >>>>>> developers :) >>>>> >>>>> What? First I've heard of it! I'm not sure how I feel about that. On >>>>> one side, it seems reasonable to do it in something like python and >>>>> remove the java dependency on the KVM host. On the other hand, there's >>>>> a lot of technical debt in what's been built already, while it would >>>>> probably be almost trivial to set up a basic working agent, it seems >>>>> like a significant amount of work to transfer all of the >>>>> functionality, special code that works around libvirt bugs, etc. Not >>>>> to mention agent plugins that have already had a significant amount of >>>>> effort put into them. On top of that, I'm not sure there's a whole lot >>>>> of value if the motive is to attract non-java guys or admins, when the >>>>> agent's features rely on what the mgmt server can do (new >>>>> features/capabilities would require java code anyway, or at the very >>>>> least coordinated effort between multiple devs who want the same >>>>> feature). >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -Ecosystem: The are lots of tools in the cloud ecosystem, we should talk >>>>>> about docker, ansible, cloud foundry/bosh…etc.and define a plan to have >>>>>> great cloudstack support in all of those. >>>>>> >>>>>> -sebastien >>>>>> >>>>>>
