Kurt's proposal to freeze the 2.7 implementation and offer a Python 3 implementation alongside it appeals to my desire to free ourselves of design choices made for the sake of Python 2/3 cross compatibility. It also has the advantage of keeping Python 2.7 users on a time tested product.
On the downside, offering two separate implementations would come at the cost of maintaining both, which would siphon community resources away from other areas more beneficial to the project. On that basis, I advocate for a cross compatible implementation over releasing two implementations. Patrick Bannister On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 6:49 PM, kurt greaves <k...@instaclustr.com> wrote: > Seems pretty straightforward to me. Create a python 3 version as soon as > possible and make it available, keep the python 2.7 version as default > until the next major release after 4.0 (assuming around/after python 2.7 > EOL), then switch default and leave continued support for 2.7 cqlsh up to > the community and whoever needs it. > > On Sat., 2 Jun. 2018, 04:45 J. D. Jordan, <jeremiah.jor...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > All for using six and supporting both. Sorry, I read your initial email > as > > wanting to drop support for 2 at the end of the year. > > > > > On Jun 1, 2018, at 1:01 PM, Jonathan Haddad <j...@jonhaddad.com> wrote: > > > > > > And that's why I said supporting both with six is the right path > > > forward, later dropping support for 2. I'm not advocating we drop 2 > > > support now, and I'm not asking for any sort of commitment. I didn't > > > think adding support for 3 would be so controversial. > > > On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 9:40 AM Jeremiah D Jordan > > > <jeremiah.jor...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> The community of people doing python development and the community of > > people running Cassandra servers are not the same. I am not fine riding > > the coat tails of libraries used in python development. As others have > > stated we need to be following the lead of the OS vendors that people > will > > be deploying Cassandra on top of. And those will not be dropping Python > 2 > > at the end of the year. > > >> > > >> -Jeremiah > > >> > > >>> On Jun 1, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Jonathan Haddad <j...@jonhaddad.com> > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Both can work. I did a lot of the work on the port of the Python > > >>> driver's object mapper (formerly cqlengine) to Python 3. It's > > >>> reasonably straightforward if you use the six library. > > >>> > > >>> Both pandas and numpy are dropping support for Python 2 at the end of > > >>> this year. I'm fine with riding on their coattails. > > >>>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 9:21 AM Russell Bateman < > r...@windofkeltia.com> > > wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Support for, but not the very script, right? Because, as gently > > pointed > > >>>> out by several realists here, Python 2 is far from dead and arguably > > >>>> still the majority usage. That's only just now beginning to change. > I > > >>>> think it will be more than 2 years before people begin asking what > > >>>> Python 2 was. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> On 06/01/2018 10:10 AM, Jonathan Haddad wrote: > > >>>>> Supporting both as a next step is logical, removing support for 2 > in > > the > > >>>>> next year or two seems reasonable enough. Gotta rip the band aid > off > > at > > >>>>> some point. > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 2:34 AM Michael Burman < > mibur...@redhat.com> > > wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Hi, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Deprecating in this context does not mean removing it or it being > > >>>>>> replaced by 3 (RHEL 7.x will remain with Python 2.x as default). > It > > >>>>>> refers to future versions (>7), but there are none at this point. > It > > >>>>>> appears Ubuntu has deviated from Debian in this sense, but Debian > > has > > >>>>>> not changed yet (likely Debian 10 will, but that's not out yet and > > has > > >>>>>> no announced release date). > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Thus, 2.x still remains the most used version for servers. And > > servers > > >>>>>> deployed at this point of time will use these versions for years. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> - Micke > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On 06/01/2018 10:52 AM, Murukesh Mohanan wrote: > > >>>>>>>> On 2018/06/01 07:40:04, Michael Burman <mibur...@redhat.com> > > wrote: > > >>>>>>>> IIRC, there's no major distribution yet that defaults to Python > 3 > > (I > > >>>>>>>> think Ubuntu & Debian are still defaulting to Python 2 also). > > This will > > >>>>>>>> happen eventually (maybe), but not yet. Discarding Python 2 > > support > > >>>>>>>> would mean more base-OS work for most people wanting to run > > Cassandra > > >>>>>>>> and that's not a positive thing. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Ubuntu since 16.04 defaults to Python 3: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Python2 is not installed anymore by default on the server, cloud > > and > > >>>>>> the touch images, long live Python3! Python3 itself has been > > upgraded to > > >>>>>> the 3.5 series. - > > >>>>>> > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__wiki. > ubuntu.com_XenialXerus_ReleaseNotes-23Python-5F3&d=DwIBaQ&c= > adz96Xi0w1RHqtPMowiL2g&r=CNZK3RiJDLqhsZDG6FQGnXn8WyPRCQhp4x_uBICNC0g&m= > J5Su6wvm91QrOBcici7HyIiFiyzjrg8UnamYu8qtSRA&s=9OWAbO26grwiI2ly_- > gAGBqJP9Mv6KPAKJyQu_OEDPc&e= > > >>>>>>> RHEL 7.5 deprecates Python 2 ( > > >>>>>> > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__access. > redhat.com_documentation_en-2Dus_red-5Fhat-5Fenterprise- > 5Flinux_7_html_7.5-5Frelease-5Fnotes_chap-2Dred-5Fhat- > 5Fenterprise-5Flinux-2D7.5-5Frelease-5Fnotes-2Ddeprecated-5Ffunctionality& > d=DwIBaQ&c=adz96Xi0w1RHqtPMowiL2g&r=CNZK3RiJDLqhsZDG6FQGnXn8WyPRCQ > hp4x_uBICNC0g&m=J5Su6wvm91QrOBcici7HyIiFiyzjrg8UnamYu8qtSRA&s= > CDFufWbcvq6VpoLJQVbCQP9rpvIv3ssNtKMQce-1vwU&e= > > >>>>>> ). > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org > > >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org > > >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> -- > > >>>>> Jon Haddad > > >>>>> > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www. > rustyrazorblade.com&d=DwIBaQ&c=adz96Xi0w1RHqtPMowiL2g&r= > CNZK3RiJDLqhsZDG6FQGnXn8WyPRCQhp4x_uBICNC0g&m= > J5Su6wvm91QrOBcici7HyIiFiyzjrg8UnamYu8qtSRA&s= > ElPVVa0MdfruNq11vJS0JQo6LYDBQVJIVMFHQIEHnT4&e= > > >>>>> twitter: rustyrazorblade > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Jon Haddad > > >>> > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www. > rustyrazorblade.com&d=DwIBaQ&c=adz96Xi0w1RHqtPMowiL2g&r= > CNZK3RiJDLqhsZDG6FQGnXn8WyPRCQhp4x_uBICNC0g&m= > J5Su6wvm91QrOBcici7HyIiFiyzjrg8UnamYu8qtSRA&s= > ElPVVa0MdfruNq11vJS0JQo6LYDBQVJIVMFHQIEHnT4&e= > > >>> twitter: rustyrazorblade > > >>> > > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ > --------- > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Jon Haddad > > > http://www.rustyrazorblade.com > > > twitter: rustyrazorblade > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org > > > > >
