Am Mittwoch, 15. März 2017 00:11:24 UTC+1 schrieb gfra...@gmail.com: > So this is were this idea started! > Great job guys, well, at least firefox is now unusable on Puppy Linux and low > profile OSS.
yes, indeed: :( - A developer who don't like work much on ALSA and chose the easy way! (Hey, you are working for one of the famoust browsers in the world! You have no ressources for this???) - the decision to make a 5.1, DRM, AmazonPrime, commercial video on demand-multimediacenter compatible Multimediacenter as a browser - not recognizing how much Linux-Distros, projects and users prefer ALSA without Pulseaudio for several reasoons! - ignoring that ALSA is the soundbase in every Linux since more than 10y and PA is just a sound-server! - not informing the community to have this design-break early, so that they can decide and react and don't have distros/systems with broken sound with one ff-update in browser and a lot of work too! - basing on telemetry that is sayin`nothing!!! most users i know don't use telemetry in their browsers! Pure-ALSA-users are knowing as people who love FREEDOM much! ;-) And at the end some devs that explain that they are not uptodate with Linux-Sound-base!??? Hey c'mon: this is really how you decided this? i can't believe. Rollback to ALSA as the only main soundriver and soundsystem in Linux, maybe make Jack optional running too (it has a lot of potential) and maybe support pulseaudio too - but please let the people choose!!! I read in your group here that it was implemented before, that firefox DONT require PA as a hard dependency and that ff was using ALSA if PA was not found on system! THIS could be the best SOULution with your next build of FF! And a big note in www that you support ALSA again! It's no option to say that the people can recompile their alsa-based ff by theirself! I tried this one night with Linux Mint 17.3 and gcc 4.9 - but it was a mess! A lot of people are running away from ff now after years. It happens right now! maybe this are some hundreds or thousands - but hey: it does matter how you treat your users! So all i want is constractive and to motivate you: Please be patient! it's no fun for many people to have breaking sound with Linux Firefox, because of an update and without a note before. Respect this please. If you need more people working on ALSA with Firefox - get them on board! You are Mozilla! And hey: Where is the problem? firefox was building with ALSA for many years and it don't has to be so much work to implement 5.1 and fullduplex (use dmix or other options!) and keep it rolling. If you want to see Firefox 52 working on our little A/V-Distro - that is stable and just released in January and basing on Ubuntu 14.04, Linux Mint 17.3 and KXStudio - as a typical scene what happens on a typical ALSA-based Linux system that prefers to have FF as the default browser! http://mayastudio.tumblr.com/64bit http://qianastudio.tumblr.com That we now have to rebuild again with maybe another browser is just one example for what can happen, if you don't communicate breaks like this with the Linux Community. So i hope you will find a way and thinking about the fact, that there are many advanced Linux-users outside (without telemetry) that prefers ALSA without PA and that they love Firefox (too). Maybe the (sometimes harsh) feedback from your bugzilla will open your eyes!? ;-) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1345661 It's emotional. This is a fact (too). but a problem to solve also... If you just keep on stopping supporting ALSA than it has to be so. There are alternative browsers. But i can't understand: BECAUSE Pulseaudio is setting upon ALSA and works NOT without ALSA! So ALSA is the (kernel-)sounddriver in every Linux-System and Pulseaudio just a server as a routing-backend! If the soundcard is not configured right and recognized by kernel and it's modules- than the soundcard DONT works with PA too! So you just have to arrange with ALSA and maybe it helps you, if you contact some devs there!??: Maybe they could help you same way like PA-devs do!?? I don't know - but it could be an option!# best regards, chalee, Phil and kAte http://alsa.opensrc.org/ _______________________________________________ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
