2012/9/21 Henri Sivonen <hsivo...@iki.fi>:
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 5:26 AM, Jonas Sicking <jo...@sicking.cc> wrote:
>> Indeed. I think this is a somewhat different issue than net
>> neutrality. With net neutrality there's a middle party trying to build
>> a business model by disrupting the traffic between a user and the
>> content the user is accessing.
>>
>> Here there's a content provider choosing to distribute its content
>> using different policies to different groups of people.
>>
>> The latter is much more similar to how some content providers choose
>> to only distribute content to people from a particular country. It's
>> annoying as hell, but it's not a net neutrality issue as I see it.
>
> It's not an net neutrality issue. I said it was in the ballpark or
> near the ballpark. Tying Web site access to a particular hardware
> seems very anti-Mission. After all, the Web is supposed to be device
> independent. In particular, device independence is both a key strength
> of the open Web and a prerequisite for an open Web.
>
> If this is the sort of thing where principles need to be bent in order
> to work with hardware partners, I suggest this be accomplished by
> sending the business model enablement tokens only to the sites
> participating in such arrangements instead of broadcasting them to the
> whole Web and giving every site the opportunity to goof with UA
> sniffing, since site *will* goof with UA sniffing given the
> opportunity.

I would like to +1 on Henri's answer to make it clear that the outcome
of this thread is not quite a nod to go ahead. I feel really
uncomfortable about this, and I haven't heard/understood any reason
yet why this problem can't be solved by using user identifiers
(password/cookies) in the same way as every existing website with
user-specific content does. We even have a user identifier solution
(Persona nee BrowserID), I would like to hear why we're not just
pushing that if our partners do not wish to run their own
authentication system.

Benoit



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