hi Steve, On Tue Feb 4, 2025 at 1:12 AM CET, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Hey Serafeim! > > On Sat, Feb 01, 2025 at 11:26:34PM +0100, Serafeim (Serafi) Zanikolas wrote: >> >>On Mon Jan 27, 2025 at 6:25 PM CET, Steve McIntyre wrote: >>[..] >>>> Sure: if you'd like a dump of the content, we can do that for >>>> you. It's quite large, so it's not something we generate very often or >>>> offer for public download. Would you like the data? >> >>I'd like a dump, please. > > OK. I'll mail you a private link for that in a moment.
got it, thanks! will follow up with stats, happy to take suggestions for interesting metrics in the meantime >>while I have your attention, can I ask you how you think about how decisions >>related to evolving the wiki (engine + content wise) should be made? >> >>https://salsa.debian.org/debian/grow-your-ideas/-/issues/2 and the more recent >>thread at https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2025/01/msg00033.html suggest >>that >>several people are interested in the subject (talk is cheap of course, actual >>level of commitment is to be seen), but I don't expect discussions to get >>anywhere without clearly identified people to make calls wrt engine and >>content. >>my assumption is that those people would be the wiki admins (you and Paul >>Wise) >>and content moderators (Paul, according to the wiki), but I could be wrong >>about >>that. > > I've been struggling to find time to debug some problems I've found > with migrating moin 1 wikis to moin 2, which is my own preference for > the future. :-( As I've said to a few people over the last couple of > years, I'm not going to step in the way of people who might want to > work on migrating to a different wiki engine entirely. I'm happy to > give people data dupms etc. for them to experiment. However, I'm short > of time and motivation to get more involved than that. Particularly I > have no desire to be responsible for running anything in PHP > (*shudder*). I completely understand that, and I'm sorry that you have to toil away on your own and on top of it have to put up with people complaining about the wiki, and how the wiki engine grass is greener on the other side. full disclosure: I also dislike php and like git but I'm not wedded to any platform. I'm thinking to make a call for contributors along the lines of: "I'm willing to moderate and/or sysadmin if the engine is one of [..]" to gauge which platform would mobilise more volunteers (using DD and to a lesser extent DM member status as proxy for "this person is more likely to walk the talk"). > In terms of content, in the past both Paul and I have been involved in > content moderation too. I guess there's a random page somewhere that > lists him and not me. Meh. I've still been doing that as and when > there have been disagreements, but (again, spot the pattern!) I don't > have time to do anything proactive here. Help here would be > awesome. Various people have offered help over the years and we've > started discussions but in the longer term most have wandered off. do you have any advice to share with respect to content moderation and organization (besides fighting spam), e.g. anything you'd have done differently were you to start now? (https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/NextGen and https://wiki.debian.org/MaythamAlsudany/DraftContentGuidelines have some suggestions). how do you feel about dropping whole categories from the wiki? e.g. all of CategoryNews FrontPageNews ProjectNews seem abandoned to me, and kind of irrelevant given the many other ways the project uses to communicate externally. > I got involved in wiki admin years back, mainly to help deal with the > spam problem that we had at the time. Over time, spammers got worse > and worse to the extent that it became my main focus. Not enough > spammers on fire, etc. :-( are you referring to blocking scrapers, or spammers actually writing in the wiki, or both? (I'd, naively perhaps, think that the latter would be a non-issue since self-service registration has been disabled) thanks, serafi
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