On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 7:11 PM Dmitry Bogatov <kact...@disroot.org> wrote:
>
> Here I formally propose new version of my draft, and withdraw all
> previous versions of it.
>
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> Being able to run Debian systems with init systems other than
> systemd continues to be value for the project. Package MUST work
> with pid1 != systemd, unless it was designed by upstream to work
> exclusively with systemd and no support for running without
> systemd is available.
>
> Software is not to be considered to be designed by upstream to
> work exclusively with systemd, merely because upstream do not
> provide, and/or will not accept, an init script.
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Being able to run Debian systems with init systems other than
systemd continues to be value for the project. Package MUST work
with pid1 != systemd, unless it was designed by upstream to work
exclusively with systemd and no support for running without
systemd is available.
Software is not to be considered to be designed by upstream to
work exclusively with systemd, merely because upstream do not
provide, and/or will not accept, an init script.
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Please consider the above version, and all future variants that contain
nothing
but grammar/wording changes, seconded by me. (As opposed to meaning
changes.)
e.g. - Maybe change "upstream do not provide" to "upstream does not provide"
(I'm considering upstream a singular noun.)
Cheers,
Brian
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> [2019-11-20 12:40] Ian Jackson <ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
> > Dmitry replied that this was not his intent, and explained his intent
> > to me. He said he would welcome a proposed amendment. I don't have
> > permission to quote his email, but I think I can capture his intent.
>
> FWIW, you have my permission to quote GR-related mails as needed. We are
> on tight schedule.
>
> > For now, I propose the following amendment:
> > [...]
>
> Thank you, Ian. I agree with your wording. Incorporated and formally
> proposed.
>
> > I think the effect of this is:
> >
> > * For software that merely needs an init script writing, an init
> > script MUST be provided (by the Debian maintainer, if necessary).
> >
> > * For software that needs other patches writing, it is up to the
> > community to write patches for non-systemd support. The maintainer
> > does not need to write them but MUST accept them if they are
> > provided, because then "support for running with systemd is
> > available".
> >
> > * Software that is inextricably tied to systemd is permitted,
> > even though it only works with systemd as pid 1.
>
> This. I hope updated wording can't be read other way.
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