Russ Allbery said: >Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au> writes: > >> If upstream is the problem, then they need lobbying; just accepting what >> upstream does is a very serious problem > >I think this is an interesting statement. Personally, I would turn it on >its head. > >I believe that the core, beautiful, exciting thing that we do inside >Debian, and that any other excellent Linux distribution does, is exactly >accepting what upstream does. Not accepting in the sense of passive >apathy, but in the sense of wholehearted embrace of upstream's ideas, >expertise, passion, and hard work, and finding a way to incorporate that >into our distribution.
Not every upstream "contribution" is suitable for incorporation into _our_ distribution. >Acceptance in the sense of reaching out with both hands and taking hold >of the gift we are given with a firm grasp and a grateful heart. Nonsense. What's happening here is Debian allowing _one_ upstream source to turn _our_ distribution on it's head. >Linux distributions are *all about* upstreams. Those upstreams are >the reason why we're here. Distributions choose appropriate components from upstream sources. Components which are incompatible with a distribution's design are clearly inappropriate. >Those upstreams are the reason why Linux is something with a name that >we can all use. Distributions assemble disparate components from upstream and local sources into usable systems. >Those upstreams are individual people with a passion for some specific >problem, who have dug into that problem and thought hard about it and >produced the best solution to that problem that they can think of and >implement. Upstreams implement the solutions that they want to implement in the manner that they see fit. Some upstreams have an agenda, some don't. >They are our friends, our colleagues, our benefactors. [snip: metaphor] >Accepting what upstream does is not a bug. Doing so most certainly _can_ be a bug. >Accepting, not thoughtlessly but thoughtfully and openly, respectfully >and with passion and care, The particular case at hand is an example of the tyranny of the minority. It is clear to the un-blinkered that there's nothing thoughtful, open, or respectful here. >what upstream does is an act of gratitude, support, and friendship that >helps weave our community together into something that's more than the >sum of its parts. The amount of user pushback generated by systemd is a clear indicator that the whole will be less than the sum of its parts. Ignoring the 800 pound gorilla in the room is nothing less than hubris. -- Steve Kostecke <st...@debian.org> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/e1xkfqf-00085y...@mail.kostecke.net
