On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 11:47:16AM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 09:48:38AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > Well, i would argue that if debian devel are involved in the maintaining > > of the non-free packages and the non-free infrastructure, then it seems > > evident that even if you don't attach the debian name to it, it is still > > part of the debian project. > > That's a really slipperly slope here. What if Debian Developers in > proprietary companies make non-free binary .deb packages for their > companies products, would that still be part of the Debian project? What > about other unofficial stuff, like .debs on people.debian.org, or > backports at www.backports.org? Is that 'part of the debian project'? > Where do you draw the line?
Well, non-free stuff is evil, and having it packaged is a threat to free stuff in the long run, don't you think so ? > I find your reasoning highly irrational. 'Who thinks that apt-get is > part of Debian will believe non-free.org is part of Debian, too. Those > who don't will also believe that debian/non-free is seperate from > debian/main'. > > I don't believe this is true at all. Please show evidence that people > think apt-get.org is part of the Debian project first, before you use > this as a carte blanche. I have encountered people who thought so, or at least who didn't make official separation. Also, the non-free removal proponent are also subject to this misconception, citing the java packages as example of non-free package, altough it has been ages since we distributed it, well in any modern version at least, the 1.1 jdk in non-free doesn't really count, just as prove that nobody cared enough to have it purged or something. > > Yes, you have proposed making my life, as packager of a non-free > > package, which incidentally i need to do my debian work, more difficult, > > this diminishing my time i could otherwise dedicate to debian. > > If you can't cope with uploading stuff to non-free.org instead to > ftp.debian.org, I can't help you. I really fail to see how this would be > so difficult at all. Well, is there a non-free.org for me to upload it to ? I don't see evidence of such, and i also don't see one being created in a way which will not diminish the amount of ressources going to the debian project in the near future. What i object to is that somehow the non-free removal proponent expect me to set it up, and no, i don't have time for it. And if the remove non-free vote pass, i will much earlier negotiate with my upstream for them to distribute my packages than use a posible non-free.org archive, which i do believe is not a good thing for debian to support in the long run, and i say debian, as in the debian developers who are going to use ressource to make it happen. Friendly, Sven Luther
