On 1/3/25 22:51, Max Nikulin wrote:
On 02/01/2025 23:05, poc...@homemail.com wrote:
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2025 at 10:38 AM "Max Nikulin"
On 02/01/2025 10:41, poc...@homemail.com wrote:
Lookup Gene and networkmanager,

Do you really believe it is a precise enough reference? My impression is
that despite NetworkManager can easily handle his cases, he often
demonstrate unmotivated aggression against NetworkManager developers.
The reasons are unclear to me. Perhaps because armbian developers
intentionally broke a way to configure network without NetworkManager
while the same approach works fine on Debian.

It was debian and your talking to the one that solved his issue.

I mean some Chinese 3d printer:
gene heskett. Re: time question, as in ntp? Fri, 1 Dec 2023 05:42:35 -0500. <https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/c10ab2f9-12d5-4f40-9da4-509d62906...@shentel.net>

That has been a src of confusion here with my mixed hdwe network. ntpsec work's fine as a 2nd level src running on this I5 machine, so I've only 2 machines out of 8 banging on debians ntp pool. but on the armbian stuff only chrony seems to work correctly.

I also have a couple radio clocks that self set in the wee hours when skip from WWWV in Boulder CO is best, they indicate good signals, but are off an hour, like the timezone files are duff. However, when I went to check them at 04:30 AM, just now, everything is in sync again.   All of this ntp stuff is both client and server so I do have some strange addresses being logged as clients at times  Seems to be transient. I don't mind it as long as they only want the time.

BTW networkmanager as built in debain leaves a lot to be desired just like networking on debian leaves a lot to be desired.
+1000, They could start by using a consistent name for nm from release to release. When it doesn't work after a reboot, what name do we type to run it? Its usually 10 - 20 minutes of command not found. You wind up doing ls's or searches with mc to find likely suspects. I always install mc to assure I have something that actually works before doing the initial reboot.

I faced once a Debian-specific issue (it had been reported already). My impression is that most limitation and bugs are due to upstream sources. For me NetworkManager is not a source of regular annoyance.

What I have found that distro like armbian fixes a lot of things that are just flat broken in debian-arm.

Am I wrong that some fixes can not be included into upstream projects or into Debian due to licensing issues?
That is always a possibility.
Waiting to be attacked over this posting

What is the point in attempts to insult developers (posting to a user mailing list)? Doesn't Armbian heavily rely on Debian?
or ubuntu...
After all, it is an important skill to move forward despite some degree of tension and disagreement. Try to be polite and constructive in communications.

One does get tired and short tempered when a copy/paste error post bullseye that wrecks udev is said to not be fixed before trixie. Thats not excusable when the fix is a one line patch we've all done years ago. Get it from a pinned post on discord/klipper for 3d printers forum. Restores the missing /dev/serial/by-id entries.

Take care of #1 Max.

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.

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