On 28/08/14 14:32, AW wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:15:10 +0200
Bzzzz <lazyvi...@gmx.com> wrote:
> Treating sysV of "overly complex" against systemd is… quite intriguing
> (to stay polite and avoid referring to brain and other things;)
All of the above is opinion, not source code based, and has nothing at to do
with anything other than -- I don't want to use it...
Based on some good rules of thumb:
1. Violates the K.I.S.S principle
2. Non textual _default_ stream
3. Feature creep
I've been using GNU/Linux for at least 15 years. I've programmed in many
languages - my favorite being assembly. I find bash scripting to be rather
cumbersome, and I find systemd significantly easier to use than sysvinit...
after I read through the documentation, that is...
Jolly good. Glad you like it. Some of us don't.
So, I guess I'm just the odd anomaly? I suppose /everyone/ who runs GNU/Linux
finds bash scripting easy in comparison to filling in sectioned off lists of
options, except me? And I suppose there are no users 'out there' who have read
about systemd and are eagerly learning how to use it to their advantage rather
than moaning about changing how something is done?
Please don't be facetious. Perhaps we can raise the level of this debate.
<snip>
apt-get source sysvinit
is all you need to type in order to compile your own init and run it on
whatever machine you wish...
What about in 2 years time? 5 years? Can you guarantee that will still
be the case?
I have some unix books from the 1980's and they are still relevant
today. That is one of
the main strengths of 'nix systems IMO. And just to bang this drum
again, count how many
of these principles are not being adhered to.
This is the Unix philosophy: Write programs that do one thing and do it
well.
Write programs to work together. Write programs to handletext streams,
because that is a universal interface.
So, the NSA comparison is complete rubbish and a total red herring.
Troll-baited... sure... however, I would hope that at the very least those
wishing systemd away have at least /looked/ a little at the documentation and
configuration of systemd.
--Andrew
And perhaps wishing those that don't like it just give up and learn it,
cos, hey - it's really
cool probably is not going to address the concerns that are being raised.
Iain
