On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 14:07 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: > On 28/06/13 01:35 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 19:02 +0200, Erwan David wrote: > >>> I will not do another upgrade. New install of a new dist for me. > > > > Upstream a long time ago does switch from GNOME 2 to GNOME 3. Many users > > were annoyed, but upstream wasn't interested. Not only that GNOME does > > kill the workflow, it also e.g. add a hard dependency to pulseaudio. > > > > You are much to late. Lamenting now is useless. If all would have > > written to upstream a long time ago, we perhaps could have stopped those > > changes. > > > > There's nothing wrong with running an outdated Debian, but users still > > should take care what happens upstream and contribute at least with an > > opinion _before it's to late_! > > > > Using another distro won't help you regarding to your GNOME issue. Most > > other distros are much closer o upstream than Debian is, so they > > switched from GNOME 2 to GNOME 3 a long time before Debian did. > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > From: Ralf Mardorf > > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > > Subject: Re: what happened to the task bar?? > > Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 18:13:40 +0200 > > > > On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 10:36 -0500, Conrad Nelson wrote: > >> Welcome to GNOME 3, the desktop environment that attempts to solve a > >> problem that isn't there and changes things for the sake of changing > >> them. Perhaps you'd like MATE, which is a fork of GNOME 2. > > > > Many of us switched to Xfce or LXDE. Xfce is a little bit closer to > > GNOME 2 than LXDE is, but both are ok. > > > > From my own limited experience with Gnome 3, I don't see what the big > fuss is about. I thought it generally operated pretty much like Gnome 2 > except it was missing some pieces that will probably show up eventually, > as they did when KDE went from 3 to 4. > > The main thing I believe is that you should install Gnome Shell to make > it usable.
To be fair, I don't know current GNOME 3, but I still use GNOME apps, e.g. Evolution and running it on Xfce sometimes is a PITA (Arch and Ubuntu at the moment). In the beginning, when there was the switch I used Debian and Arch and there were issues regarding to a hard dependency to pulseaudio by the gnome settings daemon, at a time when pulseaudio definitive wasn't able to handle a setup like this: Card 0: RME AIO S/N 0x579bcc at 0xfdff0000, irq 18 Card 1: TerraTec EWX24/96 at 0xbf00, irq 20 Card 2: TerraTec EWX24/96 at 0xbb00, irq 21 Card 3: USB Device 0x170b:0x11 at usb-0000:00:13.0-2, full speed Card 4: KORG INC. nanoKONTROL at usb-0000:00:13.3-1, full speed In addition 3D acceleration was needed, at a time when there were serious graphics driver issues, e.g. noeveau in the beginning was a PITA. GNOME fallback mode or what ever the faked GNOME 2, done by GNOME 3 was called, needed that much resources, that serious audio production was impossible. FWIW I switched from KDE 3 to GNOME 2, when there was the switch to KDE 4 ;). Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1372444138.1630.21.camel@archlinux
