Stefan Nobis wrote: > > Dave McFadden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > If MS is successful at 'embracing and extending' Java, then HTML, TCP/IP > > and the OSS world will soon feel the suffocating arms of MS wrapped around > > them.
How does HTML and TCP/IP depends on Java? Java will only be relevant to us when good GPLd virtual machines, classes, JITs *and* compilers are available; but never HTML, TCP/IP will depend on it. > Hey, don't forget some people even managed to decode SMB for NT in the > SAMBA project. If MS really managed to decommoditize open standards - > don't you think there are enough developers which are able to copy > these new properitary protocols? > > And when MS makes first tries in this direction and when they see, the > OSS comunity will just fake what they are developing, i'm not sure if > MS will continue on this way. The problem with efforts like Samba and Wine is that they are necessary evils. They are necessary because so much users depend on M$ clients, we have to support them; and M$ wants a protocol lock-in, so it won't provide good NFS clients or POSIX layers on Windows. We have then to provide the compatibility. But to provide M$ protocols we dedicate efforts which we would rather use in open standards, like a good NFS v3 implementation, NIS+ and X.500/LDAP. If it was possible to M$ to make the world dependent on the latest version of its incompatible, proprietary protocols, the free s/w community efforts on M$-compatible implementations would be always playing catch-up, never able to present a finished, well-polished tool. -- Leandro Guimaraens Faria Corcete Dutra Amdocs Brasil Ltda