Quoting Roberto C. Sánchez (2025-01-31 20:33:39) > On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 02:25:19PM +1000, Andrew Pollock wrote: > > On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 at 13:08, Roberto C. Sánchez <[1]robe...@debian.org> > > wrote: > > > > Since we as a project have left Twitter/X (as recently announced by our > > Publicity Team) on the basis of "We do not want to be present in a > > place > > where we cannot ensure that users will be respected and where abuse > > happens without consequences" [0] [1], I would like start a discussion > > about how we as a project can promptly sever ties with Google. > > > > Full disclosure: I am currently employed by Google, and do not speak for > > the company. > > DFSG #6 discusses not discriminating against fields of endeavour. > > I can see the project wishing to cut ties with a social media platform > > that is unable to ensure a minimum level of civil discourse. I'm not > > seeing how this is even remotely equivalent to disengaging from a > > corporate sponsor because of their commercial practices? > > regards > > Andrew > > > The formula I am applying here is directly: > > "We do not want to be present in a place where we cannot ensure that > users will be respected and where abuse happens without consequences." > > "We [Debian] do not want to be present in a place [on Twitter/X] where > we cannot ensure that users will be respected and where abuse happens > [causing certain people to feel unsafe] without consequences > [moderation/banning]." > > It seems quite natural, then, that this follows: > > "We [Debian] do not want to be present in a place [Google Cloud Platform > and other Google services] where we cannot ensure that users will be > respected and where abuse happens [directly assisting the US government > to prepare and execute missions that result in unconscionable civilian > casualties] without consequences [legal reprecussions]." > > If the former results in leaving a social media platform, then the > latter should result in at least the same (leaving the platform and > services) and, I would argue, also calls for terminating the sponsor > relationship. To do otherwise would be to tacitly endorse things that > are objectively far worse than things we have *already* publicly stated > as a project we find reprehensible.
I think these are different things. Debian participating as a community at certain communication platforms is one thing. Debian partnering with organisation for processing our data and code is another thing. Personally I would prefer if we would only partner with ecologically and socially sustainable organisations, but I doubt that we could agree on that, because that is most likely economically far more expensive than how we currently choose to handle things. I am happy that you raise this question, but I think your argumentation is weak, because you try make it a community issue. - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ * Sponsorship: https://ko-fi.com/drjones [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private
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