Greetings, On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 3:06 AM, Neil Williams <codeh...@debian.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 08:59:41 +0100 > chals <ch...@chalsattack.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 12:45 AM, Iain R. Learmonth <i...@debian.org> > > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > <snip> > > Hi, > > > > Reading what you say, and I beg your pardon before going on, I can > > tell that you absolutely have no idea about what the debian live > > project is or about its history. But well, I have to admit that if > > what you say is true, then you have a point. > > I've been involved with debian-live before. I remember a meeting with > the live team at a previous debconf (Argentina?) where one of my > previous rootfs build tools [multistrap] was being considered for a > role within live but we didn't find a good match. > > > You say "I'm aware that I'm going to be upsetting people, but this has > > been a long time coming" > > > > Yes you are absolutely right, you are upsetting people, people like me > > who have contributed to debian for years and spent hours of effort to > > make things better. > > Sorry, but I'm assuming you don't mean that Iain, Steve or I haven't > spent years contributing and uploading to Debian and years and years of > effort to make Debian better. > > I do not think that is the intent of Chals statement, I believe he is referencing the caring that he and many others have given the project and namespace that appears to be being hijacked and at the least invaded. > > "A long time coming"? Excuse me, but the first thing I've ever heard > > in all these years is that you and I mean you (not the debian cd team, > > who supposedly is responsible for this upheaval) > > It is the team. Steve has been asking me for this support in > vmdebootstrap for months and months. Every time there is a release or a > point release, I get more nagging because he has to struggle with > fixing live-*. > > I asked this in another response and not to be confused but, does the debian-cd team speak for all of Debian and its users? > > shows up from out of > > the blue claiming that you have the right to do as you please and > > decide about the future of the debian live team. > > Iain is not on his own. This comes from the debian-cd team. Steve has > been nagging me for vmdebootstrap support to replace live-build since > about a week after vmdebootstrap arrived in Debian, certainly before > the Jessie release. > > Seems to be a project idea really centered around vmdebootstrap and maybe a good basename for a project namesapce. > > This is, from my point of view, an act of dictatorship and with my > > authority as a debian user and contributor for years I demand you step > > down from your position and ask for forgiveness to the debian live > > team for being so rude, impolite and not worthy of any more of my > > priceless words and time. > > Not going to happen. Just what "authority" is a user meant to have? > Hmm, strong words, but all I can say is no users no community. > Those who do the work in Debian earn the right to make the decisions on > how that work is done in Debian. > > I understand your statement, but, if those who make the decisions choose not to consider feedback and/or fail to listen to the community, well this travels down the road to the definition of dictatorship. > -- > > > Neil Williams > ============= > http://www.linux.codehelp.co.uk/ > >
