Dalibor Topic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: > >> Again, this isn't about the copyright holder's right to control >> production of derived works. This is about the copyright holder's >> right to control copying and distribution of copies. Reading GPL 2b, >> I cannot see permission to distribute a CD with Eclipse and Kaffe on >> it, such that Eclipse runs on top of Kaffe when I insert the CD. > > Bullshit. There is no GPL violation in Eclipse, no violation in Kaffe, > no violation in running Eclipse on Kaffe, no violation in distributing > Eclipse, no violation in distributing Kaffe, so there can be no GPL > violation in distributing these sperate, independant works on the same > medium as separate works.
True. But distributing them as one work -- say, the Debian OS -- is covered by the GPL. In what way is Debian not a "work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program (Kaffe) or any part thereof"? > As Eclipse never was a derived work from Kaffe in the first place, it > can't become one just because Brian Thomas Sniffen closes his eyes and > wishes for it to happen. GPL does not work like pixie dust. Something > copyrightable, GPLd from Kaffe has to end up in the copy of Eclipse > *that is being distributed* for your claim to have any merit, and it > doesn't, as has been thoroughly explained in this thread. There is a slight mistake in what you have said. My claim is that Eclipse does not infringe, but a work containing Eclipse and Kaffe entwined does. Something copyrightable, GPLd from Kaffe has to end up in the copy of *Debian* that is being distributed, which it clearly does. > It doesn't concern Eclipse any more than distributing the Linux > kernel, gcc, bash, or anything else under the GPL does, because to all > these programs, Eclipse is a bunch of data, just like for Kaffe. Were that the case, Eclipse could go in Main without Kaffe being there at all. But it's not in main right now -- because there's no free JVM for it to depend on. -Brian -- Brian Sniffen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
