Bonjour,
Comment on fait pour etre désinscrit de cette liste de diffusion svp? On Sunday, December 26, 2021 4:41 PM, "Miguel Ortiz Lombardía" <mig...@tremol.eu> wrote: > > Hello Andy, > > Thank you for your answer. > The computer has 8 Gb memory, a lot more than enough to load the image. > The graphics are NVIDIA 4200M, with drivers provided, under Debian 10, > by the legacy deb packages. > > Of course, I could try upgrading directly from Debian 10 and rely on > the backups if something goes wrong. As said, I did that for previous > releases... but only after having successfully made a test with the live > image. > > But you gave me one idea: I'll try the “standard” live image, without > any graphics and try to build from that to see what happens. > > Cheerio! > > mol > > > > El Sun, 26 Dec 2021 13:17:07 +0000 > "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amaca...@einval.com> escribió: > > > On Sun, Dec 26, 2021 at 11:47:27AM +0100, Miguel Ortiz Lombardía > > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have been using Debian on a Dell Latitude e6520 for ten years now. > > > At present, it runs without problem an up-to-date Debian 10 system. > > > > > > From the beginning, before upgrading to any new release, I tried its > > > live image. This strategy has always successfully allowed upgrading > > > without stress. Sometimes I would do an upgrade, sometimes a clean > > > new installation. The latter one was the case for Debian 10. > > > > > > Now, since Debian 11 was released earlier this year, I've been > > > testing its behaviour on the machine. Unfortunately, even with the > > > latest live image, including non-free firmware, the test is not > > > passed. The computer boots well and the graphical interface (I > > > tried my usual xfce, but also mate) appears neat and working. > > > However, after a few moments varying from few seconds to no more > > > than a couple of minutes, the system freezes completely. Impossible > > > to open a console, there is no answer at all, only physical > > > shutdown is possible. > > > > Hi Mol, > > > > How much memory? What graphics? If you have the Nvidia NV620 and 4GB > > it's probably best _not_ to use the live disk - it takes a large > > amount of memory to get the live CD to boot and if nouveau is not the > > ideal driver then you do get lockups and similar. > > > > If you are currently using the non-free drivers on Debian 10, then you > > could, potentially just upgrade to Debian 11 on the same hardware. I > > do find it easier to install a bare minimum text only system if > > feasible _then_ install the non-free drivers but that may not be > > possible for you. > > > > All the very best, as ever, > > > > Andy Cater > > > > > I have searched for other people having similar problems and found a > > > forum where someone described the same issue with the Manjaro > > > distro: > > > > > > > https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=6d5881750b8f3ceb6a12708b3a7683c9&p=6287384#post6287384 > > > > > > Unfortunately, the only advice given is to switch to another > > > distribution (AntiX is mentioned) I would prefer to stay on Debian, > > > but it's true that when support and security updates will arrive to > > > an end for Debian 10, I will need to move anyway to a different > > > distro if this problem is not solved. > > > > > > Incidentally, I must say that I'm also unable to run Tails on this > > > machine since a few releases ago, for what looks as precisely the > > > same problem. > > > > > > I wonder if this trouble could result from the upgrading of the > > > kernel to version 5.x? Or from the newest versions of Xorg or the > > > nouveau driver? By the way, I thought that the non-free nvidia > > > module and not nouveau would be used in the live images with > > > non-free firmware. > > > > Nvidia non-free modules really need to be built per machine: nouveau > > is a good compromise. > > > > > > > The only debugging step I have managed to take during the few > > > seconds where the system is running is capturing in a file, on > > > another USB stick, the output of: > > > > > > # sudo dmesg -wH > > > > > > I have compared it with the results of the same command on my > > > normally running Debian 10. But my capacities to extract from there > > > any useful information are too limited. I hesitate to send those > > > longs files to the list. > > > > > > Any clues would be welcomed. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > -- mol > > > > > > > > > > >
