On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 12:46:39AM +0200, Ari Makela wrote: > John Lapeyre writes: > > > Maybe you find it easy. But you are relatively elite in debian > > knowledge. > > I'm not a beginner. I even earn my living as an unix > administrator. But I'm certainly not a unix guru. > > > I got a notebook two months ago. The video, sound, and pcmcia are > > not supported by slink. > > Are these really a big problem? During the summer same happened to me and > what I did was following: > > I installed Slink. I went to a local xfree86-mirror and got SVGA > xserver version 3.3.5 which supports NM2200 chip. I dropped it in > place of the distributed. Yes, that's a wrong way of doing things but > it has always worked for me. I didn't know about <URL: > http://www.debian.org/%7evincent/ > at the time (BTW: this is a > problem, people don't know about these unofficial updates). > > Sound support for esssolo-1 came when I compiled 2.2-kernel. There > are instructions what needs to be updated on Debian web site. > > PCMCIA is not needed for installation and it can be compiled later. It > doesn't have to work at first. Ever installed on an older laptop? I spent 3 days trying to install on my laptop because it didn't have a CDROM, so i had to get base off of the network(and i know that i could put it all on floppies, but i have a really hard time finding 1 good one to boot off of, and I know i'm not alone).
> > I feel that anyone who tinkers with GNU/Linux - or with any unix or > unix clone - should be able to do above things if documentation is > available. Documentation in one place instead of several web pages > which are hard to find. I've not seen such a document. Is it that I > haven't found it or is it non-existent? If latter is true I could > write some kind raw version if others agree with me on this. > > > Maybe people who can't do that are lazy and stupid and don't > > deserve Debian. > > And you say you don't use sarcasm? :) > > > People can't ship stable Debian on new machines, but they can ship > > RH and SuSE. > > I agree that many users cannot replace the kernel on the rescue disk > like I did. One needs some knowledge and also a Linux system which > most people don't have. But it's not so hard that it might sound, > either. It's enough that it works on one system, it doesn't have to > result a system where every device works. > > I feel Athlon is the most important problem. As far as I remember > this is the only case where it has been impossible to install Debian > on an Intel system if we don't count very exotic hardware. > > > (I don't want to attack with the sarcasm, just to make a strong point). > > It seems that I am not able to write what I think so I try again: > > I don't deny that there are problems for some users but in most cases > "stable is too old" problems can be solved relatively easily. This > could be made easier for inexperienced people if two things would be > done: > > - if it would be easier to find the unofficial updates for > xfree and Gnome. > - as simple and short documenation as possible where it is > told how Debian is updated. > > If the development cycle were faster there might not be enough time to > test enough. That's what I'm afraid of. The pool system might be a > solution. > > -- > #!/usr/bin/perl -w -- # Ari Makela, [EMAIL PROTECTED], > http://www.iki.fi/hauva/ > use strict;my $s='I am just a poor bear with a startling lack of brain.';my > $t= > crypt($s,substr($s,0,2));$t=~y#IEK65c4qx AR#J o srtahuet#;$t=~s/hot/not/;my > @v=split(//,$t);push(@v,split(//,reverse('rekcah lreP')));foreach(@v){print;} Erik Bernhardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- It is better to remain silent and be considered a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt. -- Mark Twain
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