Hi, Holger Levsen <hol...@layer-acht.org> ezt írta (időpont: 2025. máj. 8., Cs, 10:38): > > On Thu, May 08, 2025 at 10:26:08AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > > > again, orphaning means doing a QA upload. a gentler path would be an NMU. > > > again, I don't why we need a new process here. > > Orphaning is something typically done by the maintainer themselves[1]. > > that is true and it's also true that orphaning is typically done by > someone else as part of an QA upload. > > > If someone else does it unilaterally, wouldn't that come closer to a > > hijack? > > right, one should not orphan without consent of the maintainer or the MIA > team. > > here are 101 packages waiting for an upload setting the maintainer > to the QA team: > > https://qa.debian.org/orphaned.html > > > Would it feel more appropriate if I called it ITO (Intent to Orphan) > > instead of ITN and use the 21 days waiting period + upload to > > delayed=10? > > IMO it would certainly feel appropriate to use *existing processes* > instead of inventing new ones *and* excercising them on the archive > immediatly prior to wider discussion.
I agree with using existing processes and I also appreciate Andreas' initiative to improve the state of long-neglected packages. I believe the ITN name is a bit redundant, since our NMU process with an upload to a delayed queue already signals an intention ahead of the change (i.e. getting the updated package accepted to the archive) happening. Slightly expanding the NMU process scope would be sufficient to handle such more intrusive changes, since we just need to cover a bigger *update* from a *non-maintainer*. I suggest adding a new recommendation to the developers-reference to upload bigger NMUs to DELAYED/15. As I understand, Andreas did not aim for orphaning the packages, just offering a bigger one-off help to the maintainer and it is reasonable to give maintainers longer time to respond in such cases. As I recall Andeas migrated one of my sadly neglected packages to Salsa in an NMU and I was (and still am) thankful for that. Cheers, Balint
