Hi Branden, and other fellow Debianites, Quoting G. Branden Robinson (2024-09-07 05:47:17) > On a less sarcastic note, I am taken aback by the fact that this > project can have a ~100 message thread proposing a DEP > > "Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages" > > without either the proponents or the detractors finding the blatant > thumb on the scale in the proposal's very _title_ a cause for > embarrassment.
Thank you for rehashing(!) this point, in your famously sharp tongue. In case you really didn't notice the previous objections to the title, and to others that might have missed it, here are some quotes: Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (2024-07-28 01:48:10) > Sorry, but I disagree that the only true collaboration is Salsa-rich > collaboration. Quoting Shengjing Zhu (2024-08-03 08:43:14) > I also feel uncomfortable with this proposal that pushes the use of > Gitlab in the name of true collaboration. Quoting Simon Richter (@sjr) (2024-08-04 07:14:07) > Simon Richter started a new discussion on web/deps/dep18.mdwn: > https://salsa.debian.org/dep-team/deps/-/merge_requests/8#note_512536 [...] > "true open source" is marketing drivel (as is most of this document). > > Please educate yourself on the political aspects of the free software > movement, and why the term "open source" has a negative connotation > for many. You might also understand why building on top of an overly > complex framework that requires non-transferable knowledge to operate > is not seen as desirable for many. Quoting Louis-Philippe Véronneau (@pollo) (2024-08-11 15:15:45) > Louis-Philippe Véronneau commented on a discussion on > web/deps/dep18.mdwn: > https://salsa.debian.org/dep-team/deps/-/merge_requests/8#note_514421 [...] > I'd propose to remove `which severely stifles the true open source > process from progressing` from that sentence. IMO it doesn't make the > point clearer and brings in additional controversy to this DEP. Quoting Simon Richter (@sjr) (2024-08-08 05:05:56) > Simon Richter commented on a discussion on web/deps/dep18.mdwn: > https://salsa.debian.org/dep-team/deps/-/merge_requests/8#note_513638 [...] > The argument against this DEP is that it doesn't take a step closer to > collaboration, it just claims that what we had before was not > collaboration. Which is frankly offensive to people collaborating long > before git was introduced. Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (2024-08-28 12:43:08) > Quoting Guido Günther (@agx) (2024-08-28 11:51:44) > > Guido Günther commented on a discussion on web/deps/dep18.mdwn: > https://salsa.debian.org/dep-team/deps/-/merge_requests/8#note_520426 [...] > > Or maybe put on the tin what's inside: > > > > "Encourage Continuous Integration and Merge Request based > > Collaboration for Debian packages" > > I like this suggestion a lot: I find it quite distracting that the > title implies other workflows to be "untrue", and this avoids such > distraction. Yeah, the second half of the above quotes are arguably not from *this* thread, as they appeared in the tightly related discussion spawned on Salsa. I I included them here out of respect for those considering the Salsa tooling more "true" than other collaboration, including this dusty old email conversation (who uses email nowadays anyway, right? Please stop using email: It is a dinosaur tool doscouraging new developers, so is slowly killing Debian!). - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ * Sponsorship: https://ko-fi.com/drjones [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private
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