On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 03:47:16PM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote: > Assuming that's really needed, and it's far from clear that different > use cases should really use the exact same things, using > network-manager everywhere would achieve the exact same result, > without pulling in additional dependencies, and without being tied to > the internal decisions made in Canonical that we cannot do anything to > influence. Again, not your fault, but existing examples don't exactly > inspire a lot of confidence in that regard: mir, upstart, unity, > lxd...
You could compile a similar list of software projects that were abandoned when Red Hat stopped funding them. Or of entirely community-backed free software projects that are moribund. I think it's prejudicial to argue that a piece of free software should not be adopted because its development is funded by a company which, over the course of 20 years, has made strategic decisions to discontinue investments in other, unrelated projects. Either netplan is technically sound, providing a sensible configuration language that meets the needs of Debian users and has a high-quality code base, in which case it should not actually be a problem for Debian to maintain it in the event that Canonical discontinues work on it; or it isn't, and we can stop the discussion there. BTW, of your list of previous Canonical projects above: - upstart was discontinued because Debian made the decision to default to systemd. Init systems are effectively a winner-take-all problem space due to the network effects of upstream integration; any technical advantages of upstart could not justify swimming against the current with both Debian and Red Hat shipping systemd. So that's a situation that doesn't arise for a technology that Debian DOES pick? :) - mir is no longer used on the Ubuntu Desktop, but it isn't dead; it lives on in mir-kiosk and its successor ubuntu-frame. https://ubuntu.com/blog/the-journey-from-mir-kiosk-to-ubuntu-frame And I don't think you're actually suggesting it would be healthy this far along for there to be competing compositor protocols on the Linux desktop... - unity is no longer funded by Canonical, but it is not dead, in either its unity 7 or unity 8 (lomiri) incarnations, but rather continues to be maintained in both Debian and Ubuntu - to my consternation as a member of the Ubuntu Release Team, since that increases the number of flavor images we have to manage releases of ;) - Canonical has not discontinued its development of lxd. I think the larger Free Software community political questions of lxd vs incus are off-topic here. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developer https://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org
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