On Mon, 2022-04-25 at 23:48 +0300, Hakan Bayındır wrote: > While what you’re saying is technically true, the default selection > means much more than a default. It’s defines the stance of Debian, as > a whole. [...] > So, if Option 5 is adopted, the default state is as important as the > step itself IMHO. I also still believe that giving people the tools > for assembling their "firmware enabled” install media is a valid > option, but it’s not favored as far as I can see (no hard feelings, > though). > > > > And we stay a possibility for FSF-people. > > FSF people condemned Debian long ago: > > https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html#Debian > > While I like and support what FSF is standing for, I don’t think > their “condemnation” is a valid reason for not pursuing the ideals > DFSG puts forward. In my opinion, DFSG is one of the things underpins > the essence of Debian, and is a force for creating a more free and > open world. We’re almost there on the driver side, and while it gonna > take some time, we can be there on the firmware side. We just have to > be persistent, sometimes stubborn even.
Maybe then the "DFSG-free" installer should also exclude drivers for devices that require non-free firmware, including preinstalled non-free firmware? It could also show a message indicating that such devices are not supported (if possible). People could still assemble their "non-free firmware enabled" install media including such drivers. Ansgar
